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From: Josef Sipek <jsipek@fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: "Josef 'Jeff' Sipek" <jsipek@cs.sunysb.edu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	hch@infradead.org, viro@ftp.linux.org.uk, torvalds@osdl.org,
	mhalcrow@us.ibm.com, David Quigley <dquigley@fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>,
	Erez Zadok <ezk@cs.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/24] Unionfs: Documentation
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 18:15:24 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070108231524.GA1269@filer.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070108111852.ee156a90.akpm@osdl.org>

On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 11:18:52AM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Sun,  7 Jan 2007 23:12:53 -0500
> "Josef 'Jeff' Sipek" <jsipek@cs.sunysb.edu> wrote:
> 
> > +Modifying a Unionfs branch directly, while the union is mounted, is
> > +currently unsupported.
> 
> Does this mean that if I have /a/b/ and /c/d/ unionised under /mnt/union, I
> am not allowed to alter anything under /a/b/ and /c/d/?  That I may only
> alter stuff under /mnt/union?
 
That's correct.
 
> If so, that sounds like a significant limitation.

It is significant, and I am trying to figure out a nice clean way to allow
_all_ stackable filesystems (yes, ecryptfs which is in vanilla has the same
problem too) to have data modified under them without any cache incoherence.

> > Any such change can cause Unionfs to oops, or stay
> > silent and even RESULT IN DATA LOSS.
> 
> With a rather rough user interface ;)

That statement is meant to scare people away from modifying the lower fs :)
I tortured unionfs quite a bit, and it can oops but it takes some effort.

> Also, is it possible to add new branches to an existing union mount?  And
> to take old ones away?

Not in the code in the 20-odd patches, it is a minimal version of the code,
maade to be as clean as possible. I hope to   port the  more complex
features into this code when things like lower branch manipulation are fixed
in a real way - there have been suggestions of (ab)using inotify to keep
track of the lower files, but I would prefer to find a real solution.

Josef "Jeff" Sipek.

-- 
Research, n.:
  Consider Columbus:
    He didn't know where he was going.
    When he got there he didn't know where he was.
    When he got back he didn't know where he had been.
    And he did it all on someone else's money.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-01-08 23:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-08  4:12 [PATCH 00/24] Unionfs, try #4 Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 01/24] Unionfs: Documentation Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 19:18   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 19:43     ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 20:24       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 21:32         ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 21:19       ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 21:30         ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 22:02           ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 22:21             ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 23:34             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 23:37             ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09  0:03             ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-09  9:53               ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 10:43                 ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09 10:47                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 10:48                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 17:28                 ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-09 18:03                   ` Raz Ben-Jehuda(caro)
2007-01-09 18:24                     ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-08 23:25         ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09  9:49           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 10:36             ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-08 20:51     ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-08 21:53       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 23:00       ` Michael Halcrow
2007-01-08 23:45         ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09  0:19       ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2007-01-09  0:33         ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09  1:26           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-09  1:50             ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-09 12:26       ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 16:39         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 17:04           ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 17:07             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 17:34         ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-10 16:12           ` Jan Kara
2007-01-10 20:15             ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-10 20:24               ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-10 21:27               ` Jan Kara
2007-01-10 23:20             ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-10 23:29               ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-11  8:54                 ` Jan Kara
2007-01-08 23:15     ` Josef Sipek [this message]
2007-01-09 12:15       ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 16:30         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 16:41           ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-09 17:03             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 17:11               ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-09 17:16               ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-09 17:16             ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 22:02             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-11 14:29           ` unionfs unusable on multiuser systems (was Re: [PATCH 01/24] Unionfs: Documentation) Pavel Machek
2007-01-12 14:17             ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 02/24] lookup_one_len_nd - lookup_one_len with nameidata argument Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 03/24] Unionfs: Branch management functionality Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 04/24] Unionfs: Common file operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:28   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 05/24] Unionfs: Copyup Functionality Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:29   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 22:00     ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 06/24] Unionfs: Dentry operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:29   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08  4:12 ` [PATCH 07/24] Unionfs: File operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 08/24] Unionfs: Directory file operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 09/24] Unionfs: Directory manipulation helper functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 10/24] Unionfs: Inode operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 11/24] Unionfs: Lookup helper functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 12/24] Unionfs: Main module functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 13/24] Unionfs: Readdir state Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 14/24] Unionfs: Rename Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 15/24] Unionfs: Privileged operations workqueue Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:27   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 16/24] Unionfs: Handling of stale inodes Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 17/24] Unionfs: Miscellaneous helper functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 18/24] Unionfs: Superblock operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:29   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 19/24] Unionfs: Helper macros/inlines Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:28   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-09  9:02     ` mutex ownership (was: Re: [PATCH 19/24] Unionfs: Helper macros/inlines) Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-09  9:09       ` Oliver Neukum
2007-01-26 16:10         ` Steven Rostedt
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 20/24] Unionfs: Internal include file Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 21/24] Unionfs: Include file Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 22/24] Unionfs: Unlink Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 23/24] Unionfs: Kconfig and Makefile Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08  4:13 ` [PATCH 24/24] Unionfs: Extended Attributes support Josef 'Jeff' Sipek

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