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From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
To: Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org>
Cc: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, aoliva@redhat.com,
	alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, Abhay Salunke <Abhay_Salunke@dell.com>,
	kay.sievers@vrfy.org, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>,
	Michael Buesch <mb@bu3sch.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] firmware: Add CONFIG_BUILTIN_FIRMWARE option
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 15:40:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1211722835.17151.24.camel@johannes.berg> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54EDAF0A-907B-46D0-925E-56ADDA37E106@holtmann.org>

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> > Why are you so fixated on special-casing the single character '/'?
> 
> It is not the "/" character. It is the directory separator. Just  
> happened to be "/" on Unix operating systems. You are really missing  
> my point here. The kernel should not be involved in enforcing this  
> kind of namespaces.

Why are you thinking of it as namespaces then? It isn't. The "firmware
key" lives in a flat namespace where each key is an arbitrary
nul-terminated string.

> Look at the device nodes. The kernel has mouse0 for example and udev  
> will translate this into /dev/input/mouse0. Nobody expects the kernel  
> to use input/mouse0 and actually you even can't do that at all since  
> the device model forbids "/" as bus id. Same applies for the firmware  
> filenames.

No, it doesn't.

> Also at some point we might change the actual implementation of  
> request_firmware() to allow running multiple request_firmware() at the  
> same time to improve the init time of devices (if that makes sense).  
> In that case the filename would become a kobject and then the  
> directory separator would become illegal.

There's no need to think of it that way. Look at a uevent now:

UEVENT[1211722721.323011] add      /devices/pci0001:10/0001:10:12.0/ssb0:0/firmware/ssb0:0 (firmware)
ACTION=add
DEVPATH=/devices/pci0001:10/0001:10:12.0/ssb0:0/firmware/ssb0:0
SUBSYSTEM=firmware
FIRMWARE=b43/b0g0bsinitvals5.fw
TIMEOUT=60
SEQNUM=1376


The "firmware key" is contained in the FIRMWARE environment variable. If
you want to allow loading multiple firmwares at the same time, you
wouldn't have to make the key part of the device name, you would only
have to add a unique ID to the firmware device name, say


UEVENT[1211722721.323011] add      /devices/pci0001:10/0001:10:12.0/ssb0:0/firmware/ssb0:0-1234 (firmware)
ACTION=add
DEVPATH=/devices/pci0001:10/0001:10:12.0/ssb0:0/firmware/ssb0:0-1234
SUBSYSTEM=firmware
FIRMWARE=b43/b0g0bsinitvals5.fw
TIMEOUT=60
SEQNUM=1376

johannes

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-25 13:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-23 13:44 [PATCH 1/3] firmware: allow firmware files to be built into kernel image David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 13:46 ` [PATCH 2/3] firmware: Add CONFIG_BUILTIN_FIRMWARE option David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 13:50   ` [PATCH 2/3] firmware: convert korg1212 driver to use firmware loader exclusively David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 14:56     ` Takashi Iwai
2008-05-23 14:59       ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 16:41   ` [PATCH 2/3] firmware: Add CONFIG_BUILTIN_FIRMWARE option Sam Ravnborg
2008-05-23 17:13     ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 18:07     ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 18:11       ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-05-24 14:46     ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-24 15:22       ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-05-24 15:25         ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-24 15:34           ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-24 18:18             ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-24 19:23               ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-24 19:31                 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25  9:30               ` Johannes Berg
2008-05-25  9:49                 ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-25 11:54                   ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 12:14                     ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-25 13:16                       ` Alan Cox
2008-05-25 13:46                         ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-25 18:07                           ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 11:49                 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 11:59                   ` Johannes Berg
2008-05-25 13:12                     ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 13:40                       ` Johannes Berg [this message]
2008-05-25 18:12                         ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 18:18                           ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-25 18:28                             ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-26  8:57                           ` Johannes Berg
2008-05-25 12:05                   ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-25 13:19                     ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 13:45                       ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-25 18:15                         ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 18:27                           ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-25 18:34                             ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 14:13                       ` Johannes Berg
2008-05-25 14:18                         ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-25 14:22                           ` Johannes Berg
2008-05-25 18:23                         ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 18:39                           ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-25 18:46                             ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 18:53                               ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-25 19:03                                 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 19:21                                   ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-26  8:52                               ` Johannes Berg
2008-05-25 17:17                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-25 18:49                     ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 19:53                       ` Alan Cox
2008-05-26  3:30                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-25 18:49                     ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-25 19:01                       ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-05-25 19:09                         ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-26  3:13                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-26 12:53                         ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-26 13:08                           ` Johannes Berg
2008-05-26 17:09                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-26 17:11                             ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-23 14:53 ` [PATCH 1/3] firmware: allow firmware files to be built into kernel image Takashi Iwai
2008-05-23 14:58   ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 15:19     ` Takashi Iwai
2008-05-23 15:25       ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 15:33     ` Alan Cox
2008-05-23 17:21       ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 19:14       ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 19:42         ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 20:31           ` Alan Cox
2008-05-23 21:04             ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 23:28             ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 14:56 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-23 15:11   ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 15:00 ` Clemens Ladisch
2008-05-23 15:20   ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 15:32   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-23 16:21 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-05-23 16:37   ` David Dillow
2008-05-23 16:38   ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-23 16:44     ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-05-23 16:53       ` Rene Herman
2008-05-23 17:06         ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-23 17:49   ` David Woodhouse

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