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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: Michael Jeanson <mjeanson@efficios.com>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>, Wei Liu <wei.liu@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 00/11] rseq: Optimize exit to user space
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2025 11:45:09 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <12342355-b3fb-4e78-ad5b-dcfff1366ccf@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250813155941.014821755@linutronix.de>

On 8/13/25 10:29 AM, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> With the more wide spread usage of rseq in glibc, rseq is not longer a
> niche use case for special applications.
> 
> While working on a sane implementation of a rseq based time slice extension
> mechanism, I noticed several shortcomings of the current rseq code:
> 
>   1) task::rseq_event_mask is a pointless bitfield despite the fact that
>      the ABI flags it was meant to support have been deprecated and
>      functionally disabled three years ago.
> 
>   2) task::rseq_event_mask is accumulating bits unless there is a critical
>      section discovered in the user space rseq memory. This results in
>      pointless invocations of the rseq user space exit handler even if
>      there had nothing changed. As a matter of correctness these bits have
>      to be clear when exiting to user space and therefore pristine when
>      coming back into the kernel. Aside of correctness, this also avoids
>      pointless evaluation of the user space memory, which is a performance
>      benefit.
> 
>   3) The evaluation of critical sections does not differentiate between
>      syscall and interrupt/exception exits. The current implementation
>      silently fixes up critical sections which invoked a syscall unless
>      CONFIG_DEBUG_RSEQ is enabled.
> 
>      That's just wrong. If user space does that on a production kernel it
>      can keep the pieces. The kernel is not there to proliferate mindless
>      user space programming and letting everyone pay the performance
>      penalty.
> 
> This series addresses these issues and on top converts parts of the user
> space access over to the new masked access model, which lowers the overhead
> of Spectre-V1 mitigations significantly on architectures which support it
> (x86 as of today). This is especially noticable in the access to the
> rseq_cs field in struct rseq, which is the first quick check to figure out
> whether a critical section is installed or not.
> 
> It survives the kernels rseq selftests, but I did not any performance tests
> vs. rseq because I have no idea how to use the gazillion of undocumented
> command line parameters of the benchmark. I leave that to people who are so
> familiar with them, that they assume everyone else is too :)
> 
> The performance gain on regular workloads is clearly measurable and the
> consistent event flag state allows now to build the time slice extension
> mechanism on top. The first POC I implemented:
> 
>    https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/87o6smb3a0.ffs@tglx/
> 
> suffered badly from the stale eventmask bits and the cleaned up version
> brought a whopping 25+% performance gain.

Thanks for doing this work, it's been on my list to take a look at rseq
as it's quite the pig currently and enabled by default (with what I
assume is from a newer libc).

-- 
Jens Axboe


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-08-13 17:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-13 16:29 Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 16:29 ` [patch 01/11] rseq: Avoid pointless evaluation in __rseq_notify_resume() Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-20 14:23   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-13 16:29 ` [patch 02/11] rseq: Condense the inline stubs Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-20 14:24   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-13 16:29 ` [patch 03/11] rseq: Rename rseq_syscall() to rseq_debug_syscall_exit() Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-20 14:25   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-13 16:29 ` [patch 04/11] rseq: Replace the pointless event mask bit fiddling Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 16:29 ` [patch 05/11] rseq: Optimize the signal delivery path Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 16:29 ` [patch 06/11] rseq: Optimize exit to user space further Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 16:29 ` [patch 07/11] entry: Cleanup header Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 17:09   ` Giorgi Tchankvetadze
2025-08-13 21:30     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 16:29 ` [patch 08/11] entry: Distinguish between syscall and interrupt exit Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 16:29 ` [patch 09/11] entry: Provide exit_to_user_notify_resume() Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 16:29 ` [patch 10/11] rseq: Skip fixup when returning from a syscall Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-14  8:54   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-08-14 13:24     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 16:29 ` [patch 11/11] rseq: Convert to masked user access where applicable Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 17:45 ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2025-08-13 21:32   ` [patch 00/11] rseq: Optimize exit to user space Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 21:36     ` Jens Axboe
2025-08-13 22:08       ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-17 21:23         ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-18 14:00           ` BUG: rseq selftests and librseq vs. glibc fail Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-18 14:15             ` Florian Weimer
2025-08-18 17:13               ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-18 19:33                 ` Florian Weimer
2025-08-18 19:46                   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-18 19:55                     ` Florian Weimer
2025-08-18 20:27                       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-18 23:54                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-19  0:28                           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-19  6:18                             ` Florian Weimer
2025-08-29 18:44                 ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-08-29 18:50                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-09-01 19:30                     ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-08-18 17:38           ` [patch 00/11] rseq: Optimize exit to user space Michael Jeanson
2025-08-18 20:21             ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-18 21:29               ` Michael Jeanson
2025-08-18 23:43                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-20 14:27           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-20 14:10 ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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