From: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: Michael Jeanson <mjeanson@efficios.com>,
Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>, Wei Liu <wei.liu@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 00/11] rseq: Optimize exit to user space
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2025 11:45:09 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <12342355-b3fb-4e78-ad5b-dcfff1366ccf@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250813155941.014821755@linutronix.de>
On 8/13/25 10:29 AM, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> With the more wide spread usage of rseq in glibc, rseq is not longer a
> niche use case for special applications.
>
> While working on a sane implementation of a rseq based time slice extension
> mechanism, I noticed several shortcomings of the current rseq code:
>
> 1) task::rseq_event_mask is a pointless bitfield despite the fact that
> the ABI flags it was meant to support have been deprecated and
> functionally disabled three years ago.
>
> 2) task::rseq_event_mask is accumulating bits unless there is a critical
> section discovered in the user space rseq memory. This results in
> pointless invocations of the rseq user space exit handler even if
> there had nothing changed. As a matter of correctness these bits have
> to be clear when exiting to user space and therefore pristine when
> coming back into the kernel. Aside of correctness, this also avoids
> pointless evaluation of the user space memory, which is a performance
> benefit.
>
> 3) The evaluation of critical sections does not differentiate between
> syscall and interrupt/exception exits. The current implementation
> silently fixes up critical sections which invoked a syscall unless
> CONFIG_DEBUG_RSEQ is enabled.
>
> That's just wrong. If user space does that on a production kernel it
> can keep the pieces. The kernel is not there to proliferate mindless
> user space programming and letting everyone pay the performance
> penalty.
>
> This series addresses these issues and on top converts parts of the user
> space access over to the new masked access model, which lowers the overhead
> of Spectre-V1 mitigations significantly on architectures which support it
> (x86 as of today). This is especially noticable in the access to the
> rseq_cs field in struct rseq, which is the first quick check to figure out
> whether a critical section is installed or not.
>
> It survives the kernels rseq selftests, but I did not any performance tests
> vs. rseq because I have no idea how to use the gazillion of undocumented
> command line parameters of the benchmark. I leave that to people who are so
> familiar with them, that they assume everyone else is too :)
>
> The performance gain on regular workloads is clearly measurable and the
> consistent event flag state allows now to build the time slice extension
> mechanism on top. The first POC I implemented:
>
> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/87o6smb3a0.ffs@tglx/
>
> suffered badly from the stale eventmask bits and the cleaned up version
> brought a whopping 25+% performance gain.
Thanks for doing this work, it's been on my list to take a look at rseq
as it's quite the pig currently and enabled by default (with what I
assume is from a newer libc).
--
Jens Axboe
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-08-13 17:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-13 16:29 Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 16:29 ` [patch 01/11] rseq: Avoid pointless evaluation in __rseq_notify_resume() Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-20 14:23 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-13 16:29 ` [patch 02/11] rseq: Condense the inline stubs Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-20 14:24 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-13 16:29 ` [patch 03/11] rseq: Rename rseq_syscall() to rseq_debug_syscall_exit() Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-20 14:25 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-13 16:29 ` [patch 04/11] rseq: Replace the pointless event mask bit fiddling Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 16:29 ` [patch 05/11] rseq: Optimize the signal delivery path Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 16:29 ` [patch 06/11] rseq: Optimize exit to user space further Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 16:29 ` [patch 07/11] entry: Cleanup header Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 17:09 ` Giorgi Tchankvetadze
2025-08-13 21:30 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 16:29 ` [patch 08/11] entry: Distinguish between syscall and interrupt exit Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 16:29 ` [patch 09/11] entry: Provide exit_to_user_notify_resume() Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 16:29 ` [patch 10/11] rseq: Skip fixup when returning from a syscall Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-14 8:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-08-14 13:24 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 16:29 ` [patch 11/11] rseq: Convert to masked user access where applicable Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 17:45 ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2025-08-13 21:32 ` [patch 00/11] rseq: Optimize exit to user space Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-13 21:36 ` Jens Axboe
2025-08-13 22:08 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-17 21:23 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-18 14:00 ` BUG: rseq selftests and librseq vs. glibc fail Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-18 14:15 ` Florian Weimer
2025-08-18 17:13 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-18 19:33 ` Florian Weimer
2025-08-18 19:46 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-18 19:55 ` Florian Weimer
2025-08-18 20:27 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-18 23:54 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-19 0:28 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-19 6:18 ` Florian Weimer
2025-08-29 18:44 ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-08-29 18:50 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-09-01 19:30 ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-08-18 17:38 ` [patch 00/11] rseq: Optimize exit to user space Michael Jeanson
2025-08-18 20:21 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-18 21:29 ` Michael Jeanson
2025-08-18 23:43 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-20 14:27 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-20 14:10 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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