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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@suse.de>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@MIT.EDU>
Cc: Nikanth Karthikesan <knikanth@suse.de>,
	Damian Lukowski <damian@tvk.rwth-aachen.de>,
	"linux-ide@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>, Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
	"Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Daniel Taylor <Daniel.Taylor@wdc.com>,
	Mark Lord <kernel@teksavvy.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	irtiger@gmail.com, aschnell@suse.de, jdelvare@suse.de
Subject: Re: ATA 4 KiB sector issues.
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:39:34 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1268318374.2798.2.camel@mulgrave.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <472A4C80-30CE-4875-8073-F7E61659B6F0@mit.edu>

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 09:28 -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
> On Mar 11, 2010, at 8:57 AM, Nikanth Karthikesan wrote:
> > 
> > I guess, what he meant was, to keep filesystem blocks aligned, even if the 
> > partition is not. Say if the partition is mis-aligned by 512-bytes, let the 
> > filesystem waste 4k-512bytes and keep it's blocks aligned. But it might be a 
> > case of over-engineering, possibly requiring disk format change.
> 
> Ah, yes, I agree with you; that's probably what he meant.
> 
> Sure, that's theoretically possible, but it would mean changing every
> single filesystem, and it would require a file system format change
> --- or at least a file system format extension.
> 
> It would seem to be way easier to simply fix the partitioning tools to
> do the right thing, though.

Actually, it's a layering violation.  The filesystem shouldn't need to
probe the device layout ... particularly when there are complexities
like is it logical 512 or physical, and if logical 512 on 4k does it
have an offset exponent or not.

We can transmit certain abstractions of information up the stack (like
stripe width for RAID arrays which should be the fs optimal write size),
but for this type of alignment, which can be completely solved at the
partition layer, the information should really stay there and the
filesystem should "just work".

James



  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-11 14:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-08  3:48 Tejun Heo
2010-03-08  5:38 ` Greg Freemyer
2010-03-08  7:00 ` James Bottomley
2010-03-08  7:53   ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-08 15:34     ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-09 22:36       ` Daniel Taylor
2010-03-09 22:46     ` Greg Freemyer
2010-03-10  0:05       ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-10  0:14         ` Daniel Taylor
2010-03-10  0:26           ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-10  0:36             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-10  5:17           ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-10  7:09           ` Gabor Gombas
2010-03-10  0:32       ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-10 10:46         ` Johannes Stezenbach
2010-03-10 11:22           ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-08  7:56   ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-08 15:33   ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-08 15:38     ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-08 15:41       ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-08 18:50         ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-08 18:58           ` James Bottomley
2010-03-08 19:11             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-08 20:02             ` Cláudio Martins
2010-03-08 21:07               ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-08 20:19           ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-08 21:16             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-10  0:34           ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-10  7:53         ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-03-10 13:47           ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-10 16:19             ` Damian Lukowski
2010-03-11 13:04               ` Theodore Tso
2010-03-11 13:57                 ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2010-03-11 14:28                   ` Theodore Tso
2010-03-11 14:39                     ` James Bottomley [this message]
2010-03-11 15:05                       ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2010-03-11 15:25                         ` tytso
2010-03-11 16:26                           ` Gene Heskett
2010-03-11 16:34                           ` Greg Freemyer
2010-03-12  1:09                             ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-11 14:48                     ` Mike Snitzer
2010-03-11 15:00                     ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2010-03-11 15:10                       ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-11 16:01                       ` Mike Snitzer
2010-03-11 18:26                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-03-11 16:33                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-08 15:18 ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-08 18:29   ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-08 20:01     ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-08 19:34   ` Mike Snitzer
2010-03-09  2:53     ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-09  3:20       ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-09  6:53     ` Michael Tokarev
2010-03-09 10:01       ` Karel Zak
2010-03-09 10:16         ` Michael Tokarev
2010-03-09 11:15           ` Dave Chinner
2010-03-09 11:38             ` Michael Tokarev
2010-03-09 12:20               ` Dave Chinner
2010-03-09 11:50           ` Karel Zak
2010-03-09 12:18           ` Karel Zak
2010-03-10  5:06             ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-10 20:50               ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-03-10  4:57       ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-08 19:58   ` Karel Zak
2010-03-09  2:34     ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-09  2:42       ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-09  2:49         ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-09  2:42       ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-09  3:11         ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-09  3:09       ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-09  3:38       ` Daniel Taylor
2010-03-09  4:54         ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-09  7:27     ` Jim Meyering
2010-03-09 23:56       ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-08 20:12   ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-09  2:22     ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-09  2:44   ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-09  3:18     ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-09 14:32       ` Mark Lord
2010-03-09  6:34 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2010-03-09 10:06   ` Michal Soltys
2010-03-10  0:11     ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-14 21:09       ` Michal Soltys
2010-03-14 22:56         ` s ponnusa
2010-03-09 13:55 ` Mark Lord
2010-03-10  0:00   ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-10  6:08     ` Mark Lord
2010-03-09 23:46 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-10  0:20   ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-10  9:14   ` Denys Vlasenko
2010-03-15  1:21     ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-15  2:26       ` Denys Vlasenko
2010-03-15  2:56         ` Greg Freemyer
2010-03-15  4:00         ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-15 12:30           ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-15  5:20         ` david
2010-03-15  9:56           ` Denys Vlasenko
2010-03-15 14:47             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-16  2:30     ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-16  2:32       ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-16  6:14       ` James Bottomley
2010-03-16  6:22         ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-16 13:24           ` James Bottomley
2010-03-16 13:56             ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-16 14:21               ` James Bottomley
2010-03-16 14:25                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-03-16 14:50                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-16 15:02                   ` James Bottomley
2010-03-16 15:20                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-16 15:22                       ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-03-17  2:07                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-16 15:23                       ` James Bottomley
2010-03-16 15:37                         ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-16 20:42                           ` Ric Wheeler
2010-03-17  2:04                             ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-17  2:51                         ` Kevin Easton
2010-03-17  3:44                           ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-17  8:01                             ` jdow
2010-03-17 17:04                       ` Bill Davidsen
2010-03-16 14:38               ` Denys Vlasenko
2010-03-16 15:12                 ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-16 15:25                   ` Denys Vlasenko
2010-03-16 15:47                     ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-17  6:48             ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-16  6:27         ` Thomas Chou
2010-03-12  3:10 H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-16 22:21 H. Peter Anvin
2010-03-17 15:08 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-03-17 17:13   ` H. Peter Anvin

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