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From: Raymond Jennings <shentino@gmail.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Davidlohr Bueso" <davidlohr.bueso@hp.com>,
	"Al Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Paul McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@elte.hu>, 赖江山 <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	"Dipankar Sarma" <dipankar@in.ibm.com>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Mathieu Desnoyers" <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	"Josh Triplett" <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	niv@us.ibm.com, "Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Valdis Kletnieks" <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>,
	"David Howells" <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Darren Hart" <darren@dvhart.com>,
	"Frédéric Weisbecker" <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	"Silas Boyd-Wickizer" <sbw@mit.edu>,
	"Waiman Long" <Waiman.Long@hp.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC ticketlock] Auto-queued ticketlock
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 14:06:55 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1371071216.18752.1.camel@warfang.spyronet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFwDYvCR9SavTQt62kibvmv37M4+GxzjxU1ZqZVVB9Ce9w@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 2013-06-12 at 13:26 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr.bueso@hp.com> wrote:
> >
> > According to him:
> >
> > "the short workload calls security functions like getpwnam(),
> > getpwuid(), getgrgid() a couple of times. These functions open
> > the /etc/passwd or /etc/group files, read their content and close the
> > files.
> 
> Ahh, ok. So yeah, it's multiple threads all hitting the same file

If that's the case and it's a bunch of reads, shouldn't they act
concurrently anyway?

I mean it's not like dentries are being changed or added or removed in
this case.

> I guess that /etc/passwd case is historically interesting, but I'm not
> sure we really want to care too deeply..
> 
> > I did a quick attempt at this (patch attached).
> 
> Yeah, that's wrong, although it probably approximates the dget() case
> (but incorrectly).
> 
> One of the points behind using an atomic d_count is that then dput() should do
> 
>    if (!atomic_dec_and_lock(&dentry->d_count, &dentry->d_count))
>       return;
> 
> at the very top of the function. It can avoid taking the lock entirely
> if the count doesn't go down to zero, which would be a common case if
> you have lots of users opening the same file. While still protecting
> d_count from ever going to zero while the lock is held.
> 
> Your
> 
> +       if (atomic_read(&dentry->d_count) > 1) {
> +               atomic_dec(&dentry->d_count);
> +               return;
> +       }
> +       spin_lock(&dentry->d_lock);
> 
> pattern is fundamentally racy, but it's what "atomic_dec_and_lock()"
> should do race-free.
> 
> For similar reasons, I think you need to still maintain the d_lock in
> d_prune_aliases etc. That's a slow-path, so the fact that we add an
> atomic sequence there doesn't much matter.
> 
> However, one optimization missing from your patch is obvious in the
> profile. "dget_parent()" also needs to be optimized - you still have
> that as 99% of the spin-lock case. I think we could do something like
> 
>    rcu_read_lock();
>    parent = ACCESS_ONCE(dentry->d_parent);
>    if (atomic_inc_nonzero(&parent->d_count))
>       return parent;
>    .. get d_lock and do it the slow way ...
>    rcu_read_unlock();
> 
> to locklessly get the parent pointer. We know "parent" isn't going
> away (dentries are rcu-free'd and we hold the rcu read lock), and I
> think that we can optimistically take *any* parent dentry that
> happened to be valid at one point. As long as the refcount didn't go
> down to zero. Al?
> 
> With dput and dget_parent() both being lockless for the common case,
> you might get rid of the d_lock contention entirely for that load. I
> dunno. And I should really think more about that dget_parent() thing a
> bit more, but I cannot imagine how it could not be right (because even
> with the current d_lock model, the lock is gotten *within*
> dget_parent(), so the caller can never know if it gets a new or an old
> parent, so there is no higher-level serialization going on - and we
> might as well return *either* the new or the old as such).
> 
> I really want Al to double-check me if we decide to try going down
> this hole. But the above two fixes to your patch should at least
> approximate the d_lock changes, even if I'd have to look more closely
> at the other details of your patch..
> 
>                 Linus
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-06-12 21:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-09 19:36 Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-10 20:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-10 20:57   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-10 21:01   ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-06-10 21:15     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-10 21:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-10 21:30   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-10 21:35 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-10 21:54   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-10 23:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11  0:22   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11  0:44 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11  0:51   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-11  7:53     ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-11 10:14       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 15:22         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 16:45           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 10:06     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:53     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-11 18:05       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 18:10       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 18:14         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-11 18:46         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12 17:50         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-12 18:15           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-12 20:03             ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-12 20:26               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-12 20:40                 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-12 21:06                 ` Raymond Jennings [this message]
2013-06-12 23:32                 ` Al Viro
2013-06-13  0:01                   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-13  0:20                     ` Al Viro
2013-06-13  0:38                       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-13  0:49                         ` Al Viro
2013-06-13  0:59                           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-14 15:00                             ` Waiman Long
2013-06-14 15:37                               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-14 18:17                                 ` Waiman Long
2013-06-15  1:26                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-06-15  3:36                                     ` Waiman Long
2013-06-12 20:37               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-12 18:18           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11  9:56   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 15:00     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11  1:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11  9:52   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 14:48 ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-11 15:10   ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-11 16:48     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:17       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-11 17:30         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 16:21   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 15:57 ` Waiman Long
2013-06-11 16:20   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 16:43     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:13       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 17:43         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:35     ` Waiman Long
2013-06-11 16:36   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:01     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 17:16       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 18:41     ` Waiman Long
2013-06-11 18:54       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-11 19:49       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 20:09         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 20:32           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 20:53             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 20:25         ` Jason Low
2013-06-11 20:36           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 20:56         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 21:09           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12  1:19         ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-12  1:58           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-12 10:12             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12 11:06             ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-12 14:21               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12 14:15         ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-12 14:44           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:02 ` [PATCH RFC ticketlock] v2 " Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:35   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-11 17:49     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:36   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 17:52     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12 15:40   ` [PATCH RFC ticketlock] v3 " Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12 16:13     ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-12 16:59       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-13  2:55     ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-13 15:22       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-13 23:25         ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-13 23:57           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-14  1:28             ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-14 23:49               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-14  7:12             ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-14 23:46               ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]     ` <CAC4Lta3dpTDc19rXLVQkZrxbu8AJL+Foc6ocAktUAozCpk2-Mg@mail.gmail.com>
2013-07-01  9:19       ` Raghavendra KT
2013-07-02  5:56         ` Paul E. McKenney

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