From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr.bueso@hp.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC ticketlock] Auto-queued ticketlock
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 01:20:58 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130613002058.GI4165@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFw2=3ua32vkpWc_9ckCNweFmmH3c0d-VqoaUD86rkR-=w@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 05:01:19PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> I'd actually suggest we do *not* remove any existing d_lock usage
> outside of the particular special cases we want to optimize, which at
> least from Davidlohr's profile is just dput() (which has shown up a
> lot before) and dget_parent() (which I'm not sure why it happens so
> much on his load, but it really seems trivially safe to optimistically
> do under just the RCU lock).
Actually, dget_parent() change might be broken; the thing is, the assumptions
are more subtle than "zero -> non-zero only happens under ->d_lock". It's
actually "new references are grabbed by somebody who's either already holding
one on the same dentry _or_ holding ->d_lock". That's what d_invalidate()
check for ->d_count needs for correctness - caller holds one reference, so
comparing ->d_count with 2 under ->d_lock means checking that there's no other
holders _and_ there won't be any new ones appearing.
Consider the following situation:
X is dentry of a/b
Y is dentry of a/b/c
Z is dentry of d/e
A holds a reference to Y and enters dget_parent(Y)
B holds a reference to X and enters d_invalidate(X)
A picks the value of Y->d_parent (== X)
C moves Y to Z
B grabs ->d_lock on X
B checks X->d_count; it's 1, we deduce that no other references exist or
are going to appear
A does atomic_inc_not_zero(&X->d_count). And since it's not zero (it's 1,
actually), we've just grabbed an extra reference on X that was not going
to appear according to B...
> That said, I do wonder if we could do something like
> "atomic_inc_not_zero()" on the d_count, and only if it is zero (which
> won't be horribly unusual, since for leaf dentries that nobody else is
> using) we'd do the whole locking sequence.
Same correctness issue as above, I'm afraid...
> End result: I think it would be interesting to try this all out, and
> it could be a noticeable win under some cases, but it *definitely*
> needs a lot of timing and testing to see which ways it goes..
*nod*
What's more, we need the underlying assumptions documented very clearly for
any such change; it's _not_ as simple as "protect transitions from zero to
non-zero and we are done" ;-/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-06-13 0:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-06-09 19:36 Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-10 20:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-10 20:57 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-10 21:01 ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-06-10 21:15 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-10 21:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-10 21:30 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-10 21:35 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-10 21:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-10 23:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 0:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 0:44 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 0:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-11 7:53 ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-11 10:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 15:22 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 16:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 10:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:53 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-11 18:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 18:10 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 18:14 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-11 18:46 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12 17:50 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-12 18:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-12 20:03 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-12 20:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-12 20:40 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-12 21:06 ` Raymond Jennings
2013-06-12 23:32 ` Al Viro
2013-06-13 0:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-13 0:20 ` Al Viro [this message]
2013-06-13 0:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-13 0:49 ` Al Viro
2013-06-13 0:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-14 15:00 ` Waiman Long
2013-06-14 15:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-14 18:17 ` Waiman Long
2013-06-15 1:26 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-06-15 3:36 ` Waiman Long
2013-06-12 20:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-12 18:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 9:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 15:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 1:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 9:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 14:48 ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-11 15:10 ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-11 16:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-11 17:30 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 16:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 15:57 ` Waiman Long
2013-06-11 16:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 16:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:13 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 17:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:35 ` Waiman Long
2013-06-11 16:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 17:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 18:41 ` Waiman Long
2013-06-11 18:54 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-11 19:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 20:09 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 20:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 20:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 20:25 ` Jason Low
2013-06-11 20:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 20:56 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 21:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12 1:19 ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-12 1:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-12 10:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12 11:06 ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-12 14:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12 14:15 ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-12 14:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:02 ` [PATCH RFC ticketlock] v2 " Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-11 17:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:36 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 17:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12 15:40 ` [PATCH RFC ticketlock] v3 " Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12 16:13 ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-12 16:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-13 2:55 ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-13 15:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-13 23:25 ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-13 23:57 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-14 1:28 ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-14 23:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-14 7:12 ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-14 23:46 ` Paul E. McKenney
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2013-07-01 9:19 ` Raghavendra KT
2013-07-02 5:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
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