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From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr.bueso@hp.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, ????????? <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@in.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	niv@us.ibm.com, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Valdis Kletnieks <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Darren Hart <darren@dvhart.com>,
	Fr??d??ric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Silas Boyd-Wickizer <sbw@mit.edu>,
	Waiman Long <Waiman.Long@hp.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC ticketlock] Auto-queued ticketlock
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 01:20:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130613002058.GI4165@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFw2=3ua32vkpWc_9ckCNweFmmH3c0d-VqoaUD86rkR-=w@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 05:01:19PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> I'd actually suggest we do *not* remove any existing d_lock usage
> outside of the particular special cases we want to optimize, which at
> least from Davidlohr's profile is just dput() (which has shown up a
> lot before) and dget_parent() (which I'm not sure why it happens so
> much on his load, but it really seems trivially safe to optimistically
> do under just the RCU lock).

Actually, dget_parent() change might be broken; the thing is, the assumptions
are more subtle than "zero -> non-zero only happens under ->d_lock".  It's
actually "new references are grabbed by somebody who's either already holding
one on the same dentry _or_ holding ->d_lock".  That's what d_invalidate()
check for ->d_count needs for correctness - caller holds one reference, so
comparing ->d_count with 2 under ->d_lock means checking that there's no other
holders _and_ there won't be any new ones appearing.

Consider the following situation:
X is dentry of a/b
Y is dentry of a/b/c
Z is dentry of d/e

A holds a reference to Y and enters dget_parent(Y)
B holds a reference to X and enters d_invalidate(X)
A picks the value of Y->d_parent (== X)
C moves Y to Z
B grabs ->d_lock on X
B checks X->d_count; it's 1, we deduce that no other references exist or
are going to appear
A does atomic_inc_not_zero(&X->d_count).  And since it's not zero (it's 1,
actually), we've just grabbed an extra reference on X that was not going
to appear according to B...

> That said, I do wonder if we could do something like
> "atomic_inc_not_zero()" on the d_count, and only if it is zero (which
> won't be horribly unusual, since for leaf dentries that nobody else is
> using) we'd do the whole locking sequence.

Same correctness issue as above, I'm afraid...

> End result: I think it would be interesting to try this all out, and
> it could be a noticeable win under some cases, but it *definitely*
> needs a lot of timing and testing to see which ways it goes..

*nod*

What's more, we need the underlying assumptions documented very clearly for
any such change; it's _not_ as simple as "protect transitions from zero to
non-zero and we are done" ;-/

  reply	other threads:[~2013-06-13  0:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-09 19:36 Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-10 20:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-10 20:57   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-10 21:01   ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-06-10 21:15     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-10 21:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-10 21:30   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-10 21:35 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-10 21:54   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-10 23:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11  0:22   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11  0:44 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11  0:51   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-11  7:53     ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-11 10:14       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 15:22         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 16:45           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 10:06     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:53     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-11 18:05       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 18:10       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 18:14         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-11 18:46         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12 17:50         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-12 18:15           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-12 20:03             ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-12 20:26               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-12 20:40                 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-12 21:06                 ` Raymond Jennings
2013-06-12 23:32                 ` Al Viro
2013-06-13  0:01                   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-13  0:20                     ` Al Viro [this message]
2013-06-13  0:38                       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-13  0:49                         ` Al Viro
2013-06-13  0:59                           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-14 15:00                             ` Waiman Long
2013-06-14 15:37                               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-14 18:17                                 ` Waiman Long
2013-06-15  1:26                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-06-15  3:36                                     ` Waiman Long
2013-06-12 20:37               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-12 18:18           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11  9:56   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 15:00     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11  1:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11  9:52   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 14:48 ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-11 15:10   ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-11 16:48     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:17       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-11 17:30         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 16:21   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 15:57 ` Waiman Long
2013-06-11 16:20   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 16:43     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:13       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 17:43         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:35     ` Waiman Long
2013-06-11 16:36   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:01     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 17:16       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 18:41     ` Waiman Long
2013-06-11 18:54       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-11 19:49       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 20:09         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 20:32           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 20:53             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 20:25         ` Jason Low
2013-06-11 20:36           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 20:56         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 21:09           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12  1:19         ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-12  1:58           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-12 10:12             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12 11:06             ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-12 14:21               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12 14:15         ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-12 14:44           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:02 ` [PATCH RFC ticketlock] v2 " Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:35   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-11 17:49     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:36   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 17:52     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12 15:40   ` [PATCH RFC ticketlock] v3 " Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12 16:13     ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-12 16:59       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-13  2:55     ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-13 15:22       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-13 23:25         ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-13 23:57           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-14  1:28             ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-14 23:49               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-14  7:12             ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-14 23:46               ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]     ` <CAC4Lta3dpTDc19rXLVQkZrxbu8AJL+Foc6ocAktUAozCpk2-Mg@mail.gmail.com>
2013-07-01  9:19       ` Raghavendra KT
2013-07-02  5:56         ` Paul E. McKenney

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