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From: Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: jkaluza@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, rgb@redhat.com, tj@kernel.org,
	lizefan@huawei.com, containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/3] Send audit/procinfo/cgroup data in socket-level control message
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 18:21:43 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1389828103.681.34.camel@flatline.rdu.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140115.121730.1984913330507219167.davem@davemloft.net>

On Wed, 2014-01-15 at 12:17 -0800, David Miller wrote:
> From: Jan Kaluza <jkaluza@redhat.com>
> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 09:01:46 +0100
> 
> > Changes introduced in this patchset can also increase performance
> > of such server-like processes, because current way of opening and
> > parsing /proc/$PID/* files is much more expensive than receiving these
> > metadata using SCM.
> 
> The problem with this line of reasoning is that these changes will
> hurt everyone else, because these new control messages are sent
> unconditionally, whether the application is interested in them or not.
> 
> I really don't like this cost tradeoff, it's terrible, and therefore
> I'm really not inclined to apply these patches, sorry.

Agreed.  Although you seem to be ignoring the part of the logic where is
solves a problem that can not be solved today.

> The current practice to retrieve such process metadata is to look that
> information up in procfs with the $PID received over SCM_CREDENTIALS.
> This is sufficient for long-running tasks, but introduces a race which
> cannot be worked around for short-living processes; the calling
> process and all the information in /proc/$PID/ is gone before the
> receiver of the socket message can look it up.

Reliably being able to audit what process requested an action is
extremely useful.  And I like the audit patch, as it is a couple of ints
we are storing.

procinfo and cgroup can both be up to 4k of data.

Is there an alternative he should consider?  Some way to grab a
reference on task_struct and just attach that to the message?


  reply	other threads:[~2014-01-15 23:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-27 14:39 [PATCH " Jan Kaluza
2013-08-27 14:39 ` [PATCH 1/3] Send loginuid and sessionid in SCM_AUDIT Jan Kaluza
2013-08-27 14:39 ` [PATCH 2/3] Send comm and cmdline in SCM_PROCINFO Jan Kaluza
2013-09-09  6:52   ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-08-27 14:40 ` [PATCH 3/3] Send cgroup_path in SCM_CGROUP Jan Kaluza
2013-08-28 14:00   ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-29 14:13 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] Send audit/procinfo/cgroup data in socket-level control message Jan Kaluza
2013-08-29 14:13   ` [PATCH v2 1/3] Send loginuid and sessionid in SCM_AUDIT Jan Kaluza
2013-08-29 14:13   ` [PATCH v2 2/3] Send comm and cmdline in SCM_PROCINFO Jan Kaluza
2013-08-29 14:13   ` [PATCH v2 3/3] Send cgroup_path in SCM_CGROUP Jan Kaluza
2013-09-02 17:17     ` Kay Sievers
2013-09-04  6:14 ` [PATCH v3 0/3] Send audit/procinfo/cgroup data in socket-level control message Jan Kaluza
2013-09-04  6:14   ` [PATCH v3 1/3] Send loginuid and sessionid in SCM_AUDIT Jan Kaluza
2013-09-04  7:22     ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-09-04  9:07       ` Jan Kaluža
2013-09-04  6:14   ` [PATCH v3 2/3] Send comm and cmdline in SCM_PROCINFO Jan Kaluza
2013-09-04  6:14   ` [PATCH v3 3/3] Send cgroup_path in SCM_CGROUP Jan Kaluza
2013-09-04  7:42   ` [PATCH v3 0/3] Send audit/procinfo/cgroup data in socket-level control message Eric W. Biederman
2013-09-04 14:45     ` Tejun Heo
2013-09-04 14:58     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2013-09-04 15:04       ` Jan Kaluža
2013-09-04 15:20       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2013-09-04 15:30         ` Eric Dumazet
2013-09-04 15:40           ` Jan Kaluža
2014-01-13  8:01 ` [PATCH v4 " Jan Kaluza
2014-01-13  8:01   ` [PATCH v4 1/3] Send loginuid and sessionid in SCM_AUDIT Jan Kaluza
2014-01-15  4:02     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2014-01-13  8:01   ` [PATCH v4 2/3] Send comm and cmdline in SCM_PROCINFO Jan Kaluza
2014-01-15  4:03     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2014-01-13  8:01   ` [PATCH v4 3/3] Send cgroup_path in SCM_CGROUP Jan Kaluza
2014-01-13 16:52     ` Tejun Heo
2014-01-13 16:55   ` [PATCH v4 0/3] Send audit/procinfo/cgroup data in socket-level control message Tejun Heo
2014-01-13 19:44   ` Casey Schaufler
2014-01-14  8:25     ` Jan Kaluža
2014-01-15 20:17   ` David Miller
2014-01-15 23:21     ` Eric Paris [this message]
2014-01-15 23:23       ` Tejun Heo
2014-01-16  9:29         ` Jan Kaluža
2014-01-23 19:31           ` Kay Sievers

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