mirror of https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Jan Kaluza <jkaluza@redhat.com>,
	davem@davemloft.net, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, eparis@redhat.com, tj@kernel.org,
	lizefan@huawei.com, containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] Send audit/procinfo/cgroup data in socket-level control message
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 10:58:30 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130904145830.GC28517@madcap2.tricolour.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878uzdf2xp.fsf@xmission.com>

On Wed, Sep 04, 2013 at 12:42:26AM -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Jan Kaluza <jkaluza@redhat.com> writes:
> > Hi,
> >
> > this patchset against net-next (applies also to linux-next) adds 3 new types
> > of "Socket"-level control message (SCM_AUDIT, SCM_PROCINFO and SCM_CGROUP).
> >
> > Server-like processes in many cases need credentials and other
> > metadata of the peer, to decide if the calling process is allowed to
> > request a specific action, or the server just wants to log away this
> > type of information for auditing tasks.
> >
> > The current practice to retrieve such process metadata is to look that
> > information up in procfs with the $PID received over SCM_CREDENTIALS.
> > This is sufficient for long-running tasks, but introduces a race which
> > cannot be worked around for short-living processes; the calling
> > process and all the information in /proc/$PID/ is gone before the
> > receiver of the socket message can look it up.
> 
> > Changes introduced in this patchset can also increase performance
> > of such server-like processes, because current way of opening and
> > parsing /proc/$PID/* files is much more expensive than receiving these
> > metadata using SCM.
> 
> Can I just say ick, blech, barf, gag.

/me hands ebiederman an air sickness bag.

> You don't require this information to be passed.  You are asking people
> to suport a lot of new code for the forseeable future.  The only advantage
> appears to be for short lived racy processes that don't even bother to
> make certain their message was acknowleged before exiting.
> 
> You sent this during the merge window which is the time for code
> integration and testing not new code.

This is an RFC.  How is this important?

> By my count you have overflowed cb in struct sk_buff and are stomping on
> _skb_refdest.

For patch1/3 I count 56/48, then for patch3 I get 48/48.  Jan, you might
do the conversion to a pointer in patch1/3 to avoid bisect breakage.

> If you are going to go crazy and pass things is there a reason you do
> not add a patch to pass the bsd SCM_CREDS?  That information seems more
> relevant in a security context and for making security decisions than
> about half the information you are passing.
> 
> Eric

- RGB

--
Richard Guy Briggs <rbriggs@redhat.com>
Senior Software Engineer
Kernel Security
AMER ENG Base Operating Systems
Remote, Ottawa, Canada
Voice: +1.647.777.2635
Internal: (81) 32635
Alt: +1.613.693.0684x3545

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-09-04 14:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-27 14:39 [PATCH " Jan Kaluza
2013-08-27 14:39 ` [PATCH 1/3] Send loginuid and sessionid in SCM_AUDIT Jan Kaluza
2013-08-27 14:39 ` [PATCH 2/3] Send comm and cmdline in SCM_PROCINFO Jan Kaluza
2013-09-09  6:52   ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-08-27 14:40 ` [PATCH 3/3] Send cgroup_path in SCM_CGROUP Jan Kaluza
2013-08-28 14:00   ` Tejun Heo
2013-08-29 14:13 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] Send audit/procinfo/cgroup data in socket-level control message Jan Kaluza
2013-08-29 14:13   ` [PATCH v2 1/3] Send loginuid and sessionid in SCM_AUDIT Jan Kaluza
2013-08-29 14:13   ` [PATCH v2 2/3] Send comm and cmdline in SCM_PROCINFO Jan Kaluza
2013-08-29 14:13   ` [PATCH v2 3/3] Send cgroup_path in SCM_CGROUP Jan Kaluza
2013-09-02 17:17     ` Kay Sievers
2013-09-04  6:14 ` [PATCH v3 0/3] Send audit/procinfo/cgroup data in socket-level control message Jan Kaluza
2013-09-04  6:14   ` [PATCH v3 1/3] Send loginuid and sessionid in SCM_AUDIT Jan Kaluza
2013-09-04  7:22     ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-09-04  9:07       ` Jan Kaluža
2013-09-04  6:14   ` [PATCH v3 2/3] Send comm and cmdline in SCM_PROCINFO Jan Kaluza
2013-09-04  6:14   ` [PATCH v3 3/3] Send cgroup_path in SCM_CGROUP Jan Kaluza
2013-09-04  7:42   ` [PATCH v3 0/3] Send audit/procinfo/cgroup data in socket-level control message Eric W. Biederman
2013-09-04 14:45     ` Tejun Heo
2013-09-04 14:58     ` Richard Guy Briggs [this message]
2013-09-04 15:04       ` Jan Kaluža
2013-09-04 15:20       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2013-09-04 15:30         ` Eric Dumazet
2013-09-04 15:40           ` Jan Kaluža
2014-01-13  8:01 ` [PATCH v4 " Jan Kaluza
2014-01-13  8:01   ` [PATCH v4 1/3] Send loginuid and sessionid in SCM_AUDIT Jan Kaluza
2014-01-15  4:02     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2014-01-13  8:01   ` [PATCH v4 2/3] Send comm and cmdline in SCM_PROCINFO Jan Kaluza
2014-01-15  4:03     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2014-01-13  8:01   ` [PATCH v4 3/3] Send cgroup_path in SCM_CGROUP Jan Kaluza
2014-01-13 16:52     ` Tejun Heo
2014-01-13 16:55   ` [PATCH v4 0/3] Send audit/procinfo/cgroup data in socket-level control message Tejun Heo
2014-01-13 19:44   ` Casey Schaufler
2014-01-14  8:25     ` Jan Kaluža
2014-01-15 20:17   ` David Miller
2014-01-15 23:21     ` Eric Paris
2014-01-15 23:23       ` Tejun Heo
2014-01-16  9:29         ` Jan Kaluža
2014-01-23 19:31           ` Kay Sievers

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20130904145830.GC28517@madcap2.tricolour.ca \
    --to=rgb@redhat.com \
    --cc=cgroups@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=containers@lists.linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=davem@davemloft.net \
    --cc=ebiederm@xmission.com \
    --cc=eparis@redhat.com \
    --cc=jkaluza@redhat.com \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=lizefan@huawei.com \
    --cc=netdev@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=tj@kernel.org \
    --cc=viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox

all inboxes | Powered by JetHome®