Re: Honestly, fork systemd

Re: Honestly, fork systemd

[Aigars Mahinovs]

On 16 February 2014 14:34,  <redlynx@hush.com> wrote:
> The alternative is allready here. It's called SysV. Nothing needs to be
> done.
> It is a rock on which to build.
> Not a shifting sands.

If you insist on alegories, then the choice now stands between
building on a solitary rock in the middle of a stormy sea or building
on the sandy beaches of a popular costal town. Often it is easier to
put in the work to drive down piles trought the sand down to bedrock
and injecting some concrete where needed to form your own rock
foundation rather than transport everything to that rocky island. And
the end result for the users is a much more useful home.

The choice in Debian has been made - we like the beachfront property.
Help us make the best of it - investigate where the sand is weakest
and inject concrete there, find the bedrock and drive some piles to
it, add liquifaction protection where that is needed, be constructive.
The house will be build here. If you can help its construction and
help it be stronger - please help. If you are going to continue
advocating not building here - please don't. That one is settled.

I personally dislike systemd on a few technical and few social
grounds, but I respect the decision of Debian TC and will do what I
can to make systemd in Debian be the bast it can be and make Debian
with systemd the strongest system it can be. I hope others will do the
same.

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Re: Honestly, fork systemd

[ChaosEsque Team]

As far as I've heard only a few people have actually voiced support for that beachfront property.
As few as 20 total.

Debian has always been the stable distro.
Beachfront is not the right way to go for default debian.
Nor is some castle on a cliff over the beachfront area.

It is not the correct decision.


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On Sun, 2/16/14, Aigars Mahinovs <aigarius@debian.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: Honestly, fork systemd
 To: redlynx@hush.com
 Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "debian-devel@lists.debian.org" <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>, debian-project@lists.debian.org, "ChaosEsque Team" <chaosesqueteam@yahoo.com>
 Date: Sunday, February 16, 2014, 5:21 AM
 
 On 16 February 2014 14:34, 
 <redlynx@hush.com>
 wrote:
 > The alternative is allready here. It's called SysV.
 Nothing needs to be
 > done.
 > It is a rock on which to build.
 > Not a shifting sands.
 
 If you insist on alegories, then the choice now stands
 between
 building on a solitary rock in the middle of a stormy sea or
 building
 on the sandy beaches of a popular costal town. Often it is
 easier to
 put in the work to drive down piles trought the sand down to
 bedrock
 and injecting some concrete where needed to form your own
 rock
 foundation rather than transport everything to that rocky
 island. And
 the end result for the users is a much more useful home.
 
 The choice in Debian has been made - we like the beachfront
 property.
 Help us make the best of it - investigate where the sand is
 weakest
 and inject concrete there, find the bedrock and drive some
 piles to
 it, add liquifaction protection where that is needed, be
 constructive.
 The house will be build here. If you can help its
 construction and
 help it be stronger - please help. If you are going to
 continue
 advocating not building here - please don't. That one is
 settled.
 
 I personally dislike systemd on a few technical and few
 social
 grounds, but I respect the decision of Debian TC and will do
 what I
 can to make systemd in Debian be the bast it can be and make
 Debian
 with systemd the strongest system it can be. I hope others
 will do the
 same.
 
 -- 
 Best regards,
     Aigars Mahinovs       
 mailto:aigarius@debian.org
  
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Re: Honestly, fork systemd

[lynxred]

No, I will not be converted to systemd just because a few dictators
made a decision.

This needs to be overturned by whoever actually runs the debian
non-profit corporation. I'm sure the tech-ctte isn't the board of
directors.
"Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be
like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell,
and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it
did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. 26 And everyone
who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a
foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell, and
the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and
it fell, and great was the fall of it."
BDale has no right to make this decision for the rest of us.
But that is just what he did.

The tech-ctte has no right to dictate that we all change
the way we use linux on debian, but that's what four of them did.

*And no one else who is opposed to systemd should accept this either.

Debian is the Universal Operating System.
It is not BDale's OS. It is not Matthias OS. It is not Adrian OS.
It is not Lennart OS.

It is our operating system.
Your four supporters have absolutly no right changing it from
a unix system to a systemD operating system.

You have no right at all.
And you need to be fought and stopped.

>If you insist on alegories, then the choice now stands between
>building on a solitary rock in the middle of a stormy sea or building
>on the sandy beaches of a popular costal town. Often it is easier to
>put in the work to drive down piles trought the sand down to bedrock
>and injecting some concrete where needed to form your own rock
>foundation rather than transport everything to that rocky island. And
>the end result for the users is a much more useful home. > >The
choice in Debian has been made - we like the beachfront property.
>Help us make the best of it - investigate where the sand is weakest
>and inject concrete there, find the bedrock and drive some piles to
>it, add liquifaction protection where that is needed, be
constructive. 
>The house will be build here. If you can help its construction and 
>help it be stronger - please help. If you are going
to continue 
>advocating not building here - please don't. That one is
settled.
 >I personally dislike systemd on a few technical and few
social 
>grounds, but I respect the decision of Debian TC and will do
what I 
>can to make systemd in Debian be the bast it can be and make
Debian 
>with systemd the strongest system it can be. I hope others
will do the same. 
>Best regards,
>    Aigars Mahinovs
>

Re: Honestly, fork systemd

[redlynx]

No, I will not be converted to systemd just because a few dictators
made a decision.*

This needs to be overturned by whoever actually runs the debian
non-profit corporation. I'm sure the tech-ctte isn't the board of directors.


"Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. 26 And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it."


BDale has no right to make this decision for the rest of us.
But that is just what he did.

The tech-ctte has no right to dictate that we all change
the way we use linux on debian, but that's what four of them did.

*And no one else who is opposed to systemd should accept this either.

Debian is the Universal Operating System.
It is not BDale's OS. It is not Matthias OS. It is not Adrian OS.
It is not Lennart OS.

It is our operating system.
Your four supporters have absolutly no right changing it from
a unix system to a systemD operating system.

You have no right at all.
And you need to be fought and stopped.

>If you insist on alegories, then the choice now stands between
>building on a solitary rock in the middle of a stormy sea or building
>on the sandy beaches of a popular costal town. Often it is easier to
>put in the work to drive down piles trought the sand down to bedrock
>and injecting some concrete where needed to form your own rock
>foundation rather than transport everything to that rocky island. And
>the end result for the users is a much more useful home.
>
>The choice in Debian has been made - we like the beachfront property.
>Help us make the best of it - investigate where the sand is weakest
>and inject concrete there, find the bedrock and drive some piles to
>it, add liquifaction protection where that is needed, be constructive.
>The house will be build here. If you can help its construction and
>help it be stronger - please help. If you are going to continue
>advocating not building here - please don't. That one is settled.
>
>I personally dislike systemd on a few technical and few social
>grounds, but I respect the decision of Debian TC and will do what I
>can to make systemd in Debian be the bast it can be and make Debian
>with systemd the strongest system it can be. I hope others will do the
>same.
>
>-- 
>Best regards,
>    Aigars Mahinovs        mailto:aigarius@debian.org

Re: Honestly, fork systemd

[redlynx]

The alternative is allready here. It's called SysV. Nothing needs to be done.
It is a rock on which to build.
Not a shifting sands.

I must say, I agree with the man of the New Testament on this particular
sort of issue. Build your house on rock, not on sand.

The alternative is allready in all of our laps, you're just trying
to take away what we allready posess. It is theft of a sort.

>>On 16/02/14 09:54, ChaosEsque Team wrote:
>> Isn't it great that we have to have this discussion about forking debian
>> because within an oligarchic 8 man planning committee, which
>> was split 50/50 for and against systemd, the chairman happened to
>> be a systemd fan and abused his position to gain a double
>> vote for forcing systemd down out knecks?
>
>Whatever it is you are trying to say, what difference will it make if
>you keep sending these emails without doing any actual work to code an
>alternative?
>
>Do you think an alternative is going to just fall out of the sky?