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From: Stephan Mueller <smueller@chronox.de>
To: noloader@gmail.com
Cc: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	andi@firstfloor.org, Sandy Harris <sandyinchina@gmail.com>,
	cryptography@lakedaemon.net, jsd@av8n.com, hpa@zytor.com,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] random: add interrupt callback to VMBus IRQ handler
Date: Mon, 02 May 2016 11:14:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1465960.gVT9QnQ1pA@tauon.atsec.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAH8yC8nFUm6-+AhYWCHiLCucCbcOu5Hba21tzAaonVyH6OZOAA@mail.gmail.com>

Am Montag, 2. Mai 2016, 05:00:47 schrieb Jeffrey Walton:

Hi Jeffrey,

> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 2:26 AM, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
> > From: Stephan Mueller <smueller@chronox.de>
> > 
> > The Hyper-V Linux Integration Services use the VMBus implementation for
> > communication with the Hypervisor. VMBus registers its own interrupt
> > handler that completely bypasses the common Linux interrupt handling.
> > This implies that the interrupt entropy collector is not triggered.
> > ...
> 
> Stephan correctly identified the problem of virtualized environments
> in his paper, but there does not appear to be any real defenses in
> place for VM rollback attacks.

The issue the patch addresses is only that on Hyper-V with para-virt drivers, 
the /dev/random implementation does not receive interrupts.

The issue of rollback (if you refer to activating an earlier saved image of 
the guest) is a real issue the guest cannot do anything about it that is 
effective (i.e. the guest can do without the help of the VMM). Note, rollback 
is just a special case of a much broader issue of the duplication of the RNG 
state by the VMM (be it snapshots, move of a guest to another VMM, 
suspend/resume, ...). However, the patch to enable interrupts does not seem to 
be related to that issue as interrupts are not re-issued in case of rollbacks, 
are they?

Ciao
Stephan

  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-02  9:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-02  6:26 [RFC PATCH 0/3] random: replace urandom pool with a CRNG Theodore Ts'o
2016-05-02  6:26 ` [PATCH 1/3] random: replace non-blocking pool with a Chacha20-based CRNG Theodore Ts'o
2016-05-03  8:50   ` Stephan Mueller
2016-05-04 16:54     ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-04 17:30     ` tytso
2016-05-04 17:52       ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-03  9:36   ` Stephan Mueller
2016-05-04  6:24     ` Stephan Mueller
2016-05-04 14:40   ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-04 17:49     ` tytso
2016-05-04 18:22       ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-04 18:29         ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-04 19:07           ` tytso
2016-05-04 20:53             ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-04 21:42             ` John Denker
2016-05-04 21:52               ` better patch for linux/bitops.h John Denker
2016-05-05  1:35                 ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-05  2:41                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-05  2:54                     ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-05  3:08                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-05  3:30                         ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-05  3:50                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-05-05  4:03                             ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-05  6:35                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-05 16:15                                 ` UB in general ... and linux/bitops.h in particular John Denker
2016-05-05 17:32                                   ` Andi Kleen
2016-05-06  2:25                                   ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-05 21:34                             ` better patch for linux/bitops.h Sandy Harris
2016-05-05 22:18                               ` tytso
2016-05-05 22:22                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-05 22:38                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-06  0:13                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-04 21:56               ` [PATCH 1/3] random: replace non-blocking pool with a Chacha20-based CRNG H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-04 22:06                 ` linux/bitops.h John Denker
2016-05-04 23:06                   ` linux/bitops.h Andi Kleen
2016-05-05  0:13                     ` linux/bitops.h John Denker
2016-05-05  1:20                     ` linux/bitops.h Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-05  1:27                       ` linux/bitops.h H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-05  0:30                   ` linux/bitops.h H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-05  0:48                     ` linux/bitops.h Linus Torvalds
2016-05-06 20:08                       ` linux/bitops.h Sasha Levin
2016-05-06 20:07                     ` linux/bitops.h Sasha Levin
2016-05-06 20:25                       ` linux/bitops.h H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-06 20:30                       ` linux/bitops.h H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-02  6:26 ` [PATCH 2/3] random: make /dev/urandom scalable for silly userspace programs Theodore Ts'o
2016-05-02  7:00   ` Stephan Mueller
2016-05-02 12:50     ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-05-02 13:48       ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-05-02 13:53         ` Stephan Mueller
2016-05-02  6:26 ` [PATCH 3/3] random: add interrupt callback to VMBus IRQ handler Theodore Ts'o
2016-05-02  9:00   ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-02  9:14     ` Stephan Mueller [this message]
2016-05-02 12:56       ` Theodore Ts'o

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