From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: noloader@gmail.com, John Denker <jsd@av8n.com>
Cc: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Stephan Mueller <smueller@chronox.de>,
Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Sandy Harris <sandyinchina@gmail.com>,
cryptography@lakedaemon.net, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: better patch for linux/bitops.h
Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 19:41:52 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <28624BFC-7C63-4F38-9F67-7CBFB0C6499B@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAH8yC8kZDfw+6Ctog-C7Jb57rLnagAFMNwNfGH_dwa9fs=5h1Q@mail.gmail.com>
On May 4, 2016 6:35:44 PM PDT, Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 5:52 PM, John Denker <jsd@av8n.com> wrote:
>> On 05/04/2016 02:42 PM, I wrote:
>>
>>> I find it very odd that the other seven functions were not
>>> upgraded. I suggest the attached fix-others.diff would make
>>> things more consistent.
>>
>> Here's a replacement patch.
>> ...
>
>+1, commit it.
>
>Its good for three additional reasons. First, this change means the
>kernel is teaching the next generation the correct way to do things.
>Many developers aspire to be kernel hackers, and they sometimes use
>the code from bitops.h. I've actually run across the code in
>production during an audit where the developers cited bitops.h.
>
>Second, it preserves a "silent and dark" cockpit during analysis. That
>is, when analysis is run, no findings are generated. Auditors and
>security folks like quiet tools, much like the way pilots like their
>cockpits (flashing lights and sounding buzzers usually means something
>is wrong).
>
>Third, the pattern is recognized by the major compilers, so the kernel
>should not have any trouble when porting any of the compilers. I often
>use multiple compiler to tease out implementation defined behavior in
>a effort to achieve greater portability. Here are the citations to
>ensure the kernel is safe with the pattern:
>
> * GCC: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=57157
> * ICC: http://software.intel.com/en-us/forums/topic/580884
>
>However, Clang may cause trouble because they don't want the
>responsibility of recognizing the pattern:
>
> * https://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=24226#c8
>
>Instead, they provide a defective rotate. The "defect" here is its
>non-constant time due to the branch, so it may not be suitable for
>high-integrity or high-assurance code like linux-crypto:
>
> * https://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=24226#c5
>
>Jeff
So you are actually saying outright that we should sacrifice *actual* portability in favor of *theoretical* portability? What kind of twilight zone did we just step into?!
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-05-05 2:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-05-02 6:26 [RFC PATCH 0/3] random: replace urandom pool with a CRNG Theodore Ts'o
2016-05-02 6:26 ` [PATCH 1/3] random: replace non-blocking pool with a Chacha20-based CRNG Theodore Ts'o
2016-05-03 8:50 ` Stephan Mueller
2016-05-04 16:54 ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-04 17:30 ` tytso
2016-05-04 17:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-03 9:36 ` Stephan Mueller
2016-05-04 6:24 ` Stephan Mueller
2016-05-04 14:40 ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-04 17:49 ` tytso
2016-05-04 18:22 ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-04 18:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-04 19:07 ` tytso
2016-05-04 20:53 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-04 21:42 ` John Denker
2016-05-04 21:52 ` better patch for linux/bitops.h John Denker
2016-05-05 1:35 ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-05 2:41 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2016-05-05 2:54 ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-05 3:08 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-05 3:30 ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-05 3:50 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-05-05 4:03 ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-05 6:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-05 16:15 ` UB in general ... and linux/bitops.h in particular John Denker
2016-05-05 17:32 ` Andi Kleen
2016-05-06 2:25 ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-05 21:34 ` better patch for linux/bitops.h Sandy Harris
2016-05-05 22:18 ` tytso
2016-05-05 22:22 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-05 22:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-06 0:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-04 21:56 ` [PATCH 1/3] random: replace non-blocking pool with a Chacha20-based CRNG H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-04 22:06 ` linux/bitops.h John Denker
2016-05-04 23:06 ` linux/bitops.h Andi Kleen
2016-05-05 0:13 ` linux/bitops.h John Denker
2016-05-05 1:20 ` linux/bitops.h Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-05 1:27 ` linux/bitops.h H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-05 0:30 ` linux/bitops.h H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-05 0:48 ` linux/bitops.h Linus Torvalds
2016-05-06 20:08 ` linux/bitops.h Sasha Levin
2016-05-06 20:07 ` linux/bitops.h Sasha Levin
2016-05-06 20:25 ` linux/bitops.h H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-06 20:30 ` linux/bitops.h H. Peter Anvin
2016-05-02 6:26 ` [PATCH 2/3] random: make /dev/urandom scalable for silly userspace programs Theodore Ts'o
2016-05-02 7:00 ` Stephan Mueller
2016-05-02 12:50 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-05-02 13:48 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-05-02 13:53 ` Stephan Mueller
2016-05-02 6:26 ` [PATCH 3/3] random: add interrupt callback to VMBus IRQ handler Theodore Ts'o
2016-05-02 9:00 ` Jeffrey Walton
2016-05-02 9:14 ` Stephan Mueller
2016-05-02 12:56 ` Theodore Ts'o
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