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From: Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v14 30/32] fs/resctrl: Hide the BMEC related files when mbm_event mode is enabled
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2025 08:21:19 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <16cf9877-cb47-4ac3-bd50-c24ee3522296@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2b49620c-f2b0-4994-8617-e436725d0cf6@amd.com>

Hi Babu,

On 7/8/25 6:27 AM, Moger, Babu wrote:
> On 7/7/2025 5:35 PM, Moger, Babu wrote:
>> On 7/3/25 11:21, Reinette Chatre wrote:
>>> On 7/2/25 12:04 PM, Moger, Babu wrote:
>>>> On 7/2/25 12:21, Reinette Chatre wrote:
>>>>> On 7/2/25 9:42 AM, Moger, Babu wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/25/25 18:39, Reinette Chatre wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/13/25 2:05 PM, Babu Moger wrote:
>>>>>>>> BMEC (Bandwidth Monitoring Event Configuration) and mbm_event mode do not
>>>>>>>> work simultaneously.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could you please elaborate why they do not work simultaneously?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Changed the changelog.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When mbm_event counter assignment mode is enabled, events are configured
>>>>>> through the "event_filter" files under
>>>>>> /sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/event_configs/.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The default monitoring mode and with BMEC (Bandwidth Monitoring Event
>>>>>> Configuration) support, events are configured using the files
>>>>>> mbm_total_bytes_config or mbm_local_bytes_config in
>>>>>> /sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/.
>>>>>
>>>>> A reasonable question here may be why not just keep using the existing
>>>>> (BMEC supporting) event configuration files for event configuration? Why
>>>>> are new event configuration files needed?
>>>>
>>>> New interface that enables users to read and write memory transaction
>>>> events using human-readable strings, simplifying configuration and
>>>> improving usability.
>>>
>>> I find the "simplifying configuration and improving usability" a bit vague
>>> for a changelog. The cover letter already claims that ABMC and BMEC are
>>> incompatible and links to some email discussions. I think it will be helpful
>>> to summarize here why ABMC and BMEC are considered incompatible and then use
>>> that as motivation to hide BMEC. The motivation in this changelog is to
>>> "avoid confusion" but the motivation is stronger than that.
>>>
>>
>> Changed the changelog. How does this look?
>>
>> "The default monitoring mode and with BMEC (Bandwidth Monitoring Event
>> Configuration) support, events are configured using the files
>> mbm_total_bytes_config or mbm_local_bytes_config in
>> /sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/.
>>
>> When the mbm_event counter assignment mode is enabled, event configuration
>> is handled via the event_filter files under
>> /sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/event_configs/. This mode allows users to read
>> and write memory transaction events using human-readable strings, making
>> the interface easier to use and more intuitive. Going forward, this
>> mechanism can support assigning multiple counters to RMID, event pairs and
>> may be extended to allow flexible, user-defined event names.
>>
>> Given these changes, hide the BMEC-related files when the mbm_event
>> counter assignment mode is enabled. Also, update the mon_features display
>> accordingly."
>>
> 
> Here is another update.
> 
> fs/resctrl: Hide the BMEC related files when mbm_event mode is enabled
> 
> The default monitoring mode and with BMEC (Bandwidth Monitoring Event
> Configuration) support, events are configured using the files
> mbm_total_bytes_config or mbm_local_bytes_config in
> /sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/.
> 
> When the mbm_event counter assignment mode is enabled, event configuration is handled via the event_filter files under
> /sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/event_configs/. This mode enables users to
> configure memory transaction events using human-readable strings, providing a more intuitive and user-friendly interface. In the future, this mechanism could be extended to support assigning multiple counters to RMID-event pairs, as well as customizable, user-defined event names. Also, the presence of BMEC-related configuration files may cause confusion when the mbm_event counter assignment mode is enabled.
> 
> To address this, these files are now hidden when the mode is active.
> Additionally, the mon_features display has been updated to reflect this
> change.

I do not find a concrete motivation in this changelog. The terms "may cause
confusion" and "providing a more intuitive and user-friendly interface." are
vague and not something that I think provides a good motivation for disabling
an entire interface.

I aim to write a draft below that I hope will help make this changelog more
convincing. Please do improve it:


	fs/resctrl: Disable BMEC event configuration when mbm_event mode is enabled

	The BMEC (Bandwidth Monitoring Event Configuration) feature enables per-domain
	event configuration. With BMEC the MBM events are configured using 
	the mbm_total_bytes_config or mbm_local_bytes_config files in
	/sys/fs/resctrl/info/L3_MON/ and the per-domain event configuration
	affects all monitor resource groups.

	The mbm_event counter assignment mode enables counters to be assigned to
	RMID (i.e a monitor resource group), event pairs, with potentially unique
	event configurations associated	with every counter.

	There may be systems that support both BMEC and mbm_event counter assignment
	mode, but resctrl supporting both concurrently will present a conflicting
	interface to the user with both per-domain and per RMID, event configurations
	active at the same time.

	mbm_event counter assignment provides most flexibility to user space and
	aligns with Arm's counter support. On systems that support both, disable BMEC
	event configuration when mbm_event mode is enabled by hiding the
	the mbm_total_bytes_config or mbm_local_bytes_config files when mbm_event mode
	is enabled. Ensure mon_features always displays accurate information about
	monitor features.
	

Reinette

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-08 15:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-13 21:04 [PATCH v14 00/32] fs,x86/resctrl: Support AMD Assignable Bandwidth Monitoring Counters (ABMC) Babu Moger
2025-06-13 21:04 ` [PATCH v14 01/32] x86,fs/resctrl: Remove unappropriate references to cacheinfo in the resctrl subsystem Babu Moger
2025-06-13 21:04 ` [PATCH v14 02/32] x86,fs/resctrl: Consolidate monitor event descriptions Babu Moger
2025-06-24 21:28   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-25 15:57     ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-25 17:55       ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-25 20:12         ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-25 22:31           ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-13 21:04 ` [PATCH v14 03/32] x86,fs/resctrl: Replace architecture event enabled checks Babu Moger
2025-06-13 21:04 ` [PATCH v14 04/32] x86/resctrl: Remove 'rdt_mon_features' global variable Babu Moger
2025-06-13 21:04 ` [PATCH v14 05/32] x86,fs/resctrl: Prepare for more monitor events Babu Moger
2025-06-24 21:30   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-13 21:04 ` [PATCH v14 06/32] x86/cpufeatures: Add support for Assignable Bandwidth Monitoring Counters (ABMC) Babu Moger
2025-06-24 21:31   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-25 16:28     ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-13 21:04 ` [PATCH v14 07/32] x86/resctrl: Add ABMC feature in the command line options Babu Moger
2025-06-13 21:04 ` [PATCH v14 08/32] x86,fs/resctrl: Consolidate monitoring related data from rdt_resource Babu Moger
2025-06-24 21:32   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-25 16:53     ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-13 21:04 ` [PATCH v14 09/32] x86/resctrl: Detect Assignable Bandwidth Monitoring feature details Babu Moger
2025-06-24 21:33   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-25 17:58     ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-13 21:04 ` [PATCH v14 10/32] x86/resctrl: Add support to enable/disable AMD ABMC feature Babu Moger
2025-06-24 22:37   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-25 19:50     ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-13 21:04 ` [PATCH v14 11/32] fs/resctrl: Introduce the interface to display monitoring modes Babu Moger
2025-06-24 22:47   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-25 20:14     ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-13 21:04 ` [PATCH v14 12/32] fs/resctrl: Introduce interface to display number of assignable counter IDs Babu Moger
2025-06-24 23:05   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-25 20:33     ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-13 21:04 ` [PATCH v14 13/32] fs/resctrl: Introduce mbm_cntr_cfg to track assignable counters per domain Babu Moger
2025-06-24 23:31   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-26  1:31     ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-26 15:05       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-26 15:46         ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-13 21:04 ` [PATCH v14 14/32] fs/resctrl: Introduce interface to display number of free MBM counters Babu Moger
2025-06-24 23:39   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-26 14:17     ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-24 23:41   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-26 14:19     ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-13 21:04 ` [PATCH v14 15/32] x86/resctrl: Add data structures and definitions for ABMC assignment Babu Moger
2025-06-13 21:05 ` [PATCH v14 16/32] x86,fs/resctrl: Introduce event configuration field in struct mon_evt Babu Moger
2025-06-24 23:51   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-26 16:47     ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-13 21:05 ` [PATCH v14 17/32] x86/resctrl: Implement resctrl_arch_config_cntr() to assign a counter with ABMC Babu Moger
2025-06-25  3:03   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-26 17:41     ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-26 18:02       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-26 18:35         ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-26 20:24           ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-13 21:05 ` [PATCH v14 18/32] fs/resctrl: Add the functionality to assign MBM events Babu Moger
2025-06-25  3:32   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-26 19:31     ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-13 21:05 ` [PATCH v14 19/32] fs/resctrl: Add the functionality to unassign " Babu Moger
2025-06-25  3:38   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-26 21:12     ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-13 21:05 ` [PATCH v14 20/32] fs/resctrl: Report 'Unassigned' for MBM events in mbm_event mode Babu Moger
2025-06-25  4:14   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-27  1:34     ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-13 21:05 ` [PATCH v14 21/32] fs/resctrl: Pass entire struct rdtgroup rather than passing individual members Babu Moger
2025-06-25  4:18   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-30 13:57     ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-30 15:44       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-30 20:58         ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-30 21:59           ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-30 22:47             ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-13 21:05 ` [PATCH v14 22/32] x86,fs/resctrl: Add the support for reading ABMC counters Babu Moger
2025-06-13 21:05 ` [PATCH v14 23/32] fs/resctrl: Add definitions for MBM event configuration Babu Moger
2025-06-25  4:32   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-30 17:20     ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-30 21:58       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-30 22:51         ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-13 21:05 ` [PATCH v14 24/32] fs/resctrl: Add event configuration directory under info/L3_MON/ Babu Moger
2025-06-25 23:23   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-30 19:06     ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-13 21:05 ` [PATCH v14 25/32] fs/resctrl: Provide interface to update the event configurations Babu Moger
2025-06-25 23:21   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-07-01  0:43     ` Moger, Babu
2025-07-01  1:33       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-07-01 16:14         ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-13 21:05 ` [PATCH v14 26/32] fs/resctrl: Introduce mbm_assign_on_mkdir to enable assignments on mkdir Babu Moger
2025-06-25 23:24   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-07-01 16:23     ` Moger, Babu
2025-07-01 16:37       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-13 21:05 ` [PATCH v14 27/32] x86,fs/resctrl: Auto assign/unassign counters " Babu Moger
2025-06-25 23:25   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-07-01 19:06     ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-13 21:05 ` [PATCH v14 28/32] fs/resctrl: Introduce mbm_L3_assignments to list assignments in a group Babu Moger
2025-06-25 23:27   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-07-01 19:48     ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-13 21:05 ` [PATCH v14 29/32] fs/resctrl: Introduce the interface to modify " Babu Moger
2025-06-25 23:38   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-07-02  2:18     ` Moger, Babu
2025-07-02  2:56       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-13 21:05 ` [PATCH v14 30/32] fs/resctrl: Hide the BMEC related files when mbm_event mode is enabled Babu Moger
2025-06-25 23:39   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-07-02 16:42     ` Moger, Babu
2025-07-02 17:21       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-07-02 19:04         ` Moger, Babu
2025-07-03 16:21           ` Reinette Chatre
2025-07-07 22:35             ` Moger, Babu
2025-07-08 13:27               ` Moger, Babu
2025-07-08 15:21                 ` Reinette Chatre [this message]
2025-07-08 15:43                   ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-13 21:05 ` [PATCH v14 31/32] fs/resctrl: Introduce the interface to switch between monitor modes Babu Moger
2025-06-25 23:40   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-07-02 17:39     ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-13 21:05 ` [PATCH v14 32/32] x86/resctrl: Configure mbm_event mode if supported Babu Moger
2025-06-25 23:40   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-07-02 17:45     ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-13 21:41 ` [PATCH v14 00/32] fs,x86/resctrl: Support AMD Assignable Bandwidth Monitoring Counters (ABMC) Luck, Tony
2025-06-16 14:47   ` Moger, Babu
2025-06-24 21:25 ` Reinette Chatre

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