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From: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: hch@infradead.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, gregkh@suse.de,
	mucci@cs.utk.edu, eranian@hpl.hp.com, wcohen@redhat.com,
	robert.richter@amd.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	andi@firstfloor.org
Subject: Re: [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] perfmon2 merge news
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:44:56 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <18234.57272.590960.860941@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071114.031216.11725447.davem@davemloft.net>

David Miller writes:

> This is my impression too, all of the things being done with
> a slew of system calls would be better served by real special
> files and appropriate fops.

Special files and fops really only work well if you can coerce the
interface into one where data flows predominantly one way.  I don't
think they work so well for something that is more like an RPC across
the user/kernel barrier.  For that a system call is better.

For instance, if you have something that kind-of looks like

	read_pmds(int n, int *pmd_numbers, u64 *pmd_values);

where the caller supplies an array of PMD numbers and the function
returns their values (and you want that reading to be done atomically
in some sense), how would you do that using special files and fops?

>  Whether the thing is some kind
> of misc device or procfs is less important than simply getting
> away from these system calls.

Why?  What's inherently offensive about system calls?

Paul.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-11-14 11:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-07  0:34 [PATCH] fix up perfmon to build on -mm Greg KH
2007-11-07 10:34 ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-07 17:07   ` Greg KH
2007-11-07 13:42 ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-07 17:08   ` Greg KH
2007-11-07 17:33     ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-07 17:41       ` Greg KH
2007-11-07 17:50     ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-07 17:47   ` Greg KH
2007-11-07 17:57     ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-07 19:53       ` Greg KH
2007-11-07 20:39         ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-08 15:27         ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-09 20:06 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-09 21:38   ` Greg KH
2007-11-10 20:32     ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-13 15:17       ` perfmon2 merge news Robert Richter
2007-11-13 15:35         ` [perfmon2] " William Cohen
2007-11-13 17:55           ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-13 18:33             ` [perfmon] " William Cohen
2007-11-13 21:13               ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-13 21:29                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-13 21:46                   ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-13 21:50                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-13 22:22                       ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-13 22:25                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-13 22:58                           ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-14  2:07                             ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-14 13:09                               ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-14 14:24                                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-14 15:44                                   ` William Cohen
2007-11-14 16:13                                     ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-14 18:53                                     ` Philippe Elie
2007-11-14 19:15                                       ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-15  0:07                                   ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-13 18:47             ` Philip Mucci
2007-11-13 18:59               ` Greg KH
2007-11-13 20:07                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 20:14                   ` Greg KH
2007-11-13 20:36                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-14  0:28                     ` Philip Mucci
2007-11-14  1:52                       ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-16  9:18                         ` Philip Mucci
2007-11-16 15:15                           ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-16 16:00                             ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-16 16:28                               ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-16 17:13                                 ` William Cohen
2007-11-16 21:56                                   ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-16 17:36                                 ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-16 17:51                             ` dean gaudet
2007-11-17  0:29                               ` David Miller
2007-11-17  1:07                                 ` Greg KH
2007-11-16 20:16                             ` Philip Mucci
2007-11-17  0:15                             ` David Miller
     [not found]                             ` <1d7226b10711161713j675341b7wdb4f050c59a8be0a@mail.gmail.com>
2007-11-17  1:25                               ` Greg KH
     [not found]                                 ` <1d7226b10711161748n39b7f195q796d85282ef66134@mail.gmail.com>
2007-11-17  2:13                                   ` Greg KH
2007-11-14  7:24                   ` [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] " Paul Mackerras
2007-11-14  7:40                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-14 10:38                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-14 10:43                       ` Paul Mackerras
2007-11-14 11:00                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-14 11:12                           ` David Miller
2007-11-14 11:14                             ` David Miller
2007-11-14 11:44                             ` Paul Mackerras [this message]
2007-11-13 23:49                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-14 11:58                                 ` David Miller
2007-11-14  0:25                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-14 21:30                                     ` Paul Mackerras
2007-11-14 10:17                                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-14 22:56                                         ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-11-14 11:03                                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-14 11:52                               ` David Miller
2007-11-14 12:03                                 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-11-14 12:07                                   ` David Miller
2007-11-14  0:28                                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-14 21:50                                     ` Paul Mackerras
2007-11-14 23:03                                       ` David Miller
2007-11-14 23:12                                         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-11-14 23:21                                           ` David Miller
2007-11-15  1:11                                             ` Paul Mackerras
2007-11-15  1:27                                               ` David Miller
2007-11-15  2:34                                                 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-11-15  7:48                                                   ` Herbert Xu
2007-11-15  8:19                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-19 13:08                                                 ` David Miller
2007-11-19 20:53                                                   ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-20  0:55                                                     ` David Miller
2007-11-19 21:43                                                   ` Paul Mackerras
2007-11-19 22:48                                                     ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-20  0:53                                                       ` David Miller
2007-12-13 16:00                                                         ` Stephane Eranian
2007-12-14 19:12                                                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-12-14 21:07                                                             ` Stephane Eranian
2007-12-15 15:54                                                               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-11-15  8:29                                               ` [perfmon] " Stephane Eranian
2007-11-14 13:51                               ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-14 11:39                           ` Paul Mackerras
2007-11-14 11:52                             ` David Miller
2007-11-14 13:47                             ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-14 12:38                           ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-14 14:13                             ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-14 14:26                               ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-15  0:23                                 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-11-14 19:48                             ` David Miller
2007-11-15  4:20                             ` dean gaudet
2007-11-15  4:47                               ` Paul Mackerras
2007-11-15  5:14                                 ` dean gaudet
2007-11-15  8:53                               ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-15 17:01                               ` [perfmon2] [perfmon] " Dan Terpstra
2007-11-13 21:33                 ` [perfmon] Re: [perfmon2] " Stephane Eranian
2007-11-13 21:45                   ` Greg KH
2007-11-13 22:27               ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-13 20:42           ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-13 18:32         ` Stephane Eranian
2007-11-13 22:29           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-16 18:25           ` PMC core internal API design Mathieu Desnoyers

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