From: "John Stoffel" <john@stoffel.org>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: fanotify - overall design before I start sending patches
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:20:09 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <19064.31705.491774.122207@stoffel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <19585.1249406551@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>
>>>>> "Valdis" == Valdis Kletnieks <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> writes:
Valdis> On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:27:48 EDT, Eric Paris said:
>> On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 17:09 +0100, Tvrtko Ursulin wrote:
>> > Would it make more sense to deny on timeouts and then evict? I am thinking it
>> > would be more secure with no significant drawbacks. Also for usages like HSM
>> > allowing it without data being in place might present wrong content to the
>> > user.
>>
>> I'd be willing to go that route as long as noone else complains.
Valdis> Yes, in my world, "deny on timeout and evict" is the better
Valdis> design decision. For an HSM, you'd rather have a
Valdis> quick-and-ugly death on a failed file open than an app
Valdis> accidentally reading the HSM's stub data thinking it's the
Valdis> original data.
Speaking as somone who is working slowly to deploy an HSM service, one
thing to note is that when you *do* see the stub file contents, you
know that your HSM is busted somehow.
How will fanotify deal with this issue? Sorry, I haven't paid enough
attention to this thread though I know I should since it's up my $WORK
alley.
John
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-08-04 18:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-07-24 20:13 Eric Paris
2009-07-24 20:48 ` david
2009-07-24 21:01 ` Eric Paris
2009-07-24 21:44 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-27 17:52 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-07-29 20:11 ` Eric Paris
2009-07-24 21:00 ` Andreas Dilger
2009-07-24 21:21 ` Eric Paris
2009-07-24 22:42 ` Andreas Dilger
2009-07-24 23:01 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-24 22:48 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-24 23:25 ` Eric Paris
2009-07-24 23:46 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-24 23:49 ` Eric Paris
2009-07-25 0:29 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-27 18:33 ` Andreas Dilger
2009-07-27 19:23 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-28 17:59 ` Andreas Dilger
2009-07-29 20:14 ` Eric Paris
2009-07-29 20:12 ` Eric Paris
2009-07-29 20:07 ` Eric Paris
2009-07-27 16:54 ` Jan Kara
2009-07-25 14:22 ` Niraj kumar
2009-07-29 20:08 ` Eric Paris
2009-07-28 11:48 ` Jon Masters
2009-07-29 20:20 ` Eric Paris
2009-08-03 16:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-03 16:55 ` Eric Paris
2009-08-03 18:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-03 18:13 ` Eric Paris
2009-08-04 16:09 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-04 16:27 ` Eric Paris
2009-08-04 16:39 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-04 17:22 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-08-04 18:20 ` John Stoffel [this message]
2009-08-04 18:50 ` Eric Paris
2009-08-05 9:32 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-04 16:34 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-05 10:12 ` Douglas Leeder
2009-08-05 10:35 ` Douglas Leeder
2009-08-05 2:05 ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-05 16:46 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-06 10:10 ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-06 10:20 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-06 10:24 ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-06 10:20 ` Douglas Leeder
2009-08-06 10:22 ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-07 8:59 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-06 10:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-06 10:59 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-06 11:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-06 12:48 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-06 12:58 ` Alan Cox
2009-08-06 18:18 ` Eric Paris
2009-08-06 13:50 ` Kernel Event Notification Subsystem (was: fanotify - overall design before I start sending patches) Al Boldi
2009-08-06 18:18 ` fanotify - overall design before I start sending patches Eric Paris
2009-08-07 16:36 ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-08-07 17:43 ` Eric Paris
2009-08-08 10:36 ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-10 10:03 ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-08-08 10:34 ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-06 11:24 ` Pavel Machek
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