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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@sophos.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Douglas Leeder <douglas.leeder@sophos.com>,
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Subject: Re: fanotify - overall design before I start sending patches
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:58:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090806135800.7ccb7787@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200908061348.43625.tvrtko.ursulin@sophos.com>

> > We are taking about the kind of fanotify client that says: No you cannot
> > open/read/write/mmap/etc.. this file until I say you can, right?
> 
> Yes and no, it would be more accurate to say "this open takes long while we do 
> something else in the background".

There are two or three ways to handle this

1.	Block the open until the daemon dies or responds
2.	Have a timeout (which would need to be connection configurable)
3.	Require the daemon responds with "in progress" now and then.

For a superuser managed service its no different to an NFS mount which
can go wonky so the only real question is what should fanotify allow non
privileged users to do. The answer would appear anyway to be: not use
this aspect of such a facility.

For the superuser case the fact the daemon can be killed thus releasing
anything stuff is analogous to umount -f of a stuck NFS mount which seems
perfectly good for NFS.

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-06 12:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-24 20:13 Eric Paris
2009-07-24 20:48 ` david
2009-07-24 21:01   ` Eric Paris
2009-07-24 21:44     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-27 17:52       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-07-29 20:11         ` Eric Paris
2009-07-24 21:00 ` Andreas Dilger
2009-07-24 21:21   ` Eric Paris
2009-07-24 22:42     ` Andreas Dilger
2009-07-24 23:01       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-24 22:48 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-24 23:25   ` Eric Paris
2009-07-24 23:46     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-24 23:49   ` Eric Paris
2009-07-25  0:29     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-27 18:33       ` Andreas Dilger
2009-07-27 19:23         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-28 17:59           ` Andreas Dilger
2009-07-29 20:14           ` Eric Paris
2009-07-29 20:12         ` Eric Paris
2009-07-29 20:07       ` Eric Paris
2009-07-27 16:54   ` Jan Kara
2009-07-25 14:22 ` Niraj kumar
2009-07-29 20:08   ` Eric Paris
2009-07-28 11:48 ` Jon Masters
2009-07-29 20:20   ` Eric Paris
2009-08-03 16:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-03 16:55   ` Eric Paris
2009-08-03 18:04     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-03 18:13       ` Eric Paris
2009-08-04 16:09 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-04 16:27   ` Eric Paris
2009-08-04 16:39     ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-04 17:22     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-08-04 18:20       ` John Stoffel
2009-08-04 18:50         ` Eric Paris
2009-08-05  9:32         ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-04 16:34 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-05 10:12   ` Douglas Leeder
2009-08-05 10:35   ` Douglas Leeder
2009-08-05  2:05 ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-05 16:46   ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-06 10:10     ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-06 10:20       ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-06 10:24         ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-06 10:20       ` Douglas Leeder
2009-08-06 10:22         ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-07  8:59           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-06 10:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-06 10:59           ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-06 11:23             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-06 12:48               ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2009-08-06 12:58                 ` Alan Cox [this message]
2009-08-06 18:18                   ` Eric Paris
2009-08-06 13:50               ` Kernel Event Notification Subsystem (was: fanotify - overall design before I start sending patches) Al Boldi
2009-08-06 18:18               ` fanotify - overall design before I start sending patches Eric Paris
2009-08-07 16:36                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-08-07 17:43                   ` Eric Paris
2009-08-08 10:36                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-10 10:03                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-08-08 10:34                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-08-06 11:24             ` Pavel Machek

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