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From: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
To: bcrl@redhat.com
Cc: marcelo@conectiva.com.br, andrea@suse.de, torvalds@transmeta.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Locking comment on shrink_caches()
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 14:55:47 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010925.145547.90825509.davem@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010925170055.B19494@redhat.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0109251601360.2193-100000@freak.distro.conectiva> <20010925.132905.32720330.davem@redhat.com> <20010925170055.B19494@redhat.com>

   From: Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@redhat.com>
   Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:00:55 -0400
   
   Last time I looked, those patches made the already ugly vm locking 
   even worse.  I'd rather try to use some of the rcu techniques for 
   page cache lookup, and per-page locking for page cache removal 
   which will lead to *cleaner* code as well as a much more scalable 
   kernel.
   
I'm willing to investigate using RCU.  However, per hashchain locking
is a much proven technique (inside the networking in particular) which
is why that was the method employed.  At the time the patch was
implemented, the RCU stuff was not fully formulated.

Please note that the problem is lock cachelines in dirty exclusive
state, not a "lock held for long time" issue.

   Keep in mind that just because a lock is on someone's hitlist doesn't 
   mean that it is for the right reasons.  Look at the io_request_lock 
   that is held around the bounce buffer copies in the scsi midlayer.  
   *shudder*

I agree.  But to my understanding, and after having studied the
pagecache lock usage, it was minimally used and not used in any places
unnecessarily as per the io_request_lock example you are stating.

In fact, the pagecache_lock is mostly held for extremely short periods
of time.

Franks a lot,
David S. Miller
davem@redhat.com


  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-09-25 21:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-09-25 17:49 Marcelo Tosatti
2001-09-25 19:57 ` David S. Miller
2001-09-25 18:40   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-09-25 20:40     ` Josh MacDonald
2001-09-25 19:25       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-09-25 20:15   ` David S. Miller
2001-09-25 19:02     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-09-25 20:24     ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-25 22:26       ` David S. Miller
2001-09-26 17:42         ` Ingo Molnar
2001-09-25 20:28     ` David S. Miller
2001-09-25 21:05       ` Andrew Morton
2001-09-25 21:48       ` David S. Miller
2001-09-25 20:29     ` David S. Miller
2001-09-25 21:00       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-09-25 22:03         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-25 21:55       ` David S. Miller [this message]
2001-09-25 22:16         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-09-25 22:28         ` David S. Miller
2001-09-26 16:40           ` Alan Cox
2001-09-26 17:25             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-26 17:40               ` Alan Cox
2001-09-26 17:44                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-26 18:01                   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-09-26 18:01                 ` Dave Jones
2001-09-26 20:20                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-09-26 20:24                   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-09-26 17:45               ` Dave Jones
2001-09-26 17:50               ` Alan Cox
2001-09-26 17:59                 ` Dave Jones
2001-09-26 18:07                   ` Alan Cox
2001-09-26 18:09                   ` Padraig Brady
2001-09-26 18:22                     ` Dave Jones
2001-09-26 18:24                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-26 18:40                     ` Dave Jones
2001-09-26 19:12                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-27 12:22                         ` CPU frequency shifting "problems" Padraig Brady
2001-09-27 12:44                           ` Dave Jones
2001-09-27 23:23                           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-28  0:55                             ` Alan Cox
2001-09-28  2:12                               ` Stefan Smietanowski
2001-09-28  8:55                             ` Jamie Lokier
2001-09-28 16:11                               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-28 20:29                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-28 22:24                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2001-09-26 19:04                     ` Locking comment on shrink_caches() George Greer
2001-09-26 18:59                 ` George Greer
2001-09-26 17:43             ` Richard Gooch
2001-09-26 18:24               ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-09-26 18:48               ` Richard Gooch
2001-09-26 18:58                 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-26 23:26             ` David S. Miller
2001-09-27 12:10               ` Alan Cox
2001-09-27 15:38                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-09-27 17:44                   ` Ingo Molnar
2001-09-27 19:41               ` David S. Miller
2001-09-27 22:59                 ` Alan Cox
2001-09-25 22:01     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-25 22:03     ` David S. Miller
2001-09-25 22:59       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-25 21:57   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-26  5:04 Dipankar Sarma
2001-09-26  5:31 ` Andrew Morton
2001-09-26  7:08   ` Dipankar Sarma
2001-09-26 16:52   ` John Hawkes
2001-09-26  6:57 ` David S. Miller
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2001-09-27  1:34     ` Vojtech Pavlik

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