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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Patrick Mochel <mochel@osdl.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] New Driver Model for 2.5
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 01:44:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011018234425.8883@smtp.wanadoo.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110181601250.9099-100000@osdlab.pdx.osdl.net>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110181601250.9099-100000@osdlab.pdx.osdl.net>

>
>Ok, so we need another walk before we go to sleep.
>
>But, first a question - does the swap device need to absolutely be the
>last thing to stop taking requests? Or, can it stop after everything is
>done allocating memory?

The problem with VM is that you don't really have one swap device.

You can have swap on files from several devices, you can have mmap'ed
files from any mounted filesystem on any block device, you can have
NFS, etc...

That's why we must completely separate allocation from blocking of
activity. If we do so, we don't need to care about any ordering rule
between drivers (at least not because of this problem, other issues
may require ordering rules, but it's an arch matter).

>> The actual state save can be in step 2 or 3, we don't really care,
>> it depends mostly on what is more convenient for the driver writer.
>
>For most devices, it seems it could happen in the first, as well. They
>should be fine with stopping I/O requests early on. It's only special
>cases like swap and maybe one or two others that need an extra step,
>right?

Well, you may think it's ok to do it, let's say, for a serial port, in
step 1. But... what about NFS over PPP over that serial port ? :)

If a device don't need to allocate memory and can do the save_state
and shutdown in one step, then it only need to respond to step 2. It
will skip step 1 and step 3.

Ben.



  reply	other threads:[~2001-10-18 23:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-17 23:52 Patrick Mochel
2001-10-18  6:23 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-18 12:13   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-18 16:19     ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-18 17:38       ` Tim Jansen
2001-10-18 22:06       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-19 17:09       ` Kai Henningsen
2001-10-18 22:10     ` Kai Henningsen
2001-10-19 18:26       ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-19 19:02         ` Tim Jansen
2001-10-19 19:21           ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-19 20:07             ` Tim Jansen
2001-10-19 20:24               ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-19 22:25                 ` Tim Jansen
2001-10-20 13:47               ` Kai Henningsen
2001-10-20  1:41             ` john slee
2001-10-20 13:52         ` Kai Henningsen
2001-10-22 11:02           ` Padraig Brady
2001-10-27 11:01           ` Kai Henningsen
2001-10-19  7:57     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-10-19  8:09       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-19  8:31         ` Keith Owens
2001-10-19  8:43           ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-19 18:50       ` Tim Jansen
2001-10-19 15:21     ` Taral
2001-10-19 23:30     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-19 23:54       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-18 15:17   ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-18 16:08 ` Taral
2001-10-18 16:52 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-10-18 17:38   ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-18 17:41     ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-18 18:28     ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-10-18 19:49       ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-18 20:40         ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-18 21:32         ` John Alvord
2001-10-18 22:23           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-18 22:26           ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-18 22:18         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-18 23:30           ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-18 23:44             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2001-10-18 23:52               ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-19 17:12       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-10-18 17:05 ` Jonathan Corbet
2001-10-18 17:33   ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-19 17:01 Kevin Easton
2001-10-19 18:40 ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-19 21:43 Grover, Andrew
2001-10-19 23:33 Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-20  0:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-20  9:28   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-21 17:09     ` Pavel Machek
2001-10-23  0:19       ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-23  0:31         ` Alan Cox
2001-10-23  0:29           ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-23  7:53             ` Alan Cox
2001-10-23 15:10               ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-10-23 15:49                 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-23 20:22                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-23 20:54                   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24  0:26                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-24  9:57                       ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24 10:34                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-24 10:54                           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24 13:04                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-24 13:25                               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24 16:19                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-24 16:36                                   ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-10-24 16:45                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-24 22:48                                   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24 16:15                               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-24 16:46                                 ` Xavier Bestel
2001-10-24 16:54                                   ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-24 16:55                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-24 22:45                                     ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24 17:33                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-24 22:41                                   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24 22:41                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-25  7:58                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-25 12:22                                       ` Alan Cox
2001-10-25 14:57                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-25  8:03                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-25  8:09                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-25 12:20                                       ` Alan Cox
2001-10-25 21:47                                   ` Pavel Machek
2001-10-24 22:50                                 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-25  4:14                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-25 12:42                                     ` Alan Cox
2001-10-25 21:52                                       ` Xavier Bestel
2001-10-25 23:53                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-25 23:53                                           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-26 11:35                                       ` Helge Hafting
2001-10-26 12:38                                         ` Alan Cox
2001-10-25  8:27                                 ` Rob Turk
2001-10-25 10:01                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-25 10:02                                   ` Helge Hafting
2001-10-25 14:20                                   ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-10-25 14:44                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-25 14:45                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-25 15:22                                     ` Rob Turk
2001-10-25 15:44                                     ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-10-25 16:26                                     ` David Lang
2001-10-25 21:59                                   ` Pavel Machek
2001-10-25 21:32                                     ` Rob Turk
2001-10-24 17:01                               ` Mike Anderson
2001-10-25  9:02                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-25  9:29                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-25  9:47                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-25 10:11                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-25 10:59                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-24 15:18                         ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-10-24 15:41                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-24 15:59                           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24 15:56                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-23  9:44             ` Pavel Machek
2001-10-23 11:03               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-23 11:49                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-23 10:54           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-24 17:56 Grover, Andrew
2001-10-24 18:45 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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