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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederman@uswest.net>,
	Patrick Mochel <mochel@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] New Driver Model for 2.5
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:47:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011025094704.11412@smtp.adsl.oleane.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110250224340.1128-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110250224340.1128-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>

>> Or another fun common one.  To shut down the interrupt controller, I first
>> need to shut down every device that thinks it can generate interrupts.
>> But my interrupt controller is way out on my pci->isa bridge.  So I
>> can't shut that device down.
>>
>> Sorry this whole device tree idea for shutdown ordering doesn't seem
>> to match my idea of reality.
>
>Your _examples_ do not match any reality.
>
>Don't worry about things like the CPU shutdown: you have to have special
>code for it anyway.
>
>Let's face it, the device tree is for _devices_. It's for shutting down a
>network card before we shut down the PCI bridge that is in front of it.
>
>The issue of "core shutdown" is not covered - and isn't _meant_ to be
>covered. That's the problem of the architecture-specific code. There is no
>point in having a device tree for that, because it's going to be very much
>architecture-specific anyway (ie on x86 we may have to just blindly trust
>some silly APCI table data etc).

Definitelly. I have similar issues with pmacs, clocks generation
and interrupt controller are in Apple's mac-io ASIC which is on PCI,
so this ASIC can't be part of the normal PM tree and has to be handled
as part of the "core" PM code. This kind of issue will still happen, the
new scheme won't "magically" make PM work on every single laptop out
there, there will still be some corner cases to deal with, but at least
these will be limited to real corner cases and most "normal" drivers
will fit in the new, saner, mecanism.

Ben.



  reply	other threads:[~2001-10-25  9:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-19 23:33 Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-20  0:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-20  9:28   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-21 17:09     ` Pavel Machek
2001-10-23  0:19       ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-23  0:31         ` Alan Cox
2001-10-23  0:29           ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-23  7:53             ` Alan Cox
2001-10-23 15:10               ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-10-23 15:49                 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-23 20:22                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-23 20:54                   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24  0:26                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-24  9:57                       ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24 10:34                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-24 10:54                           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24 13:04                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-24 13:25                               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24 16:19                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-24 16:36                                   ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-10-24 16:45                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-24 22:48                                   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24 16:15                               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-24 16:46                                 ` Xavier Bestel
2001-10-24 16:54                                   ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-24 16:55                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-24 22:45                                     ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24 17:33                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-24 22:41                                   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24 22:41                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-25  7:58                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-25 12:22                                       ` Alan Cox
2001-10-25 14:57                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-25  8:03                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-25  8:09                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-25 12:20                                       ` Alan Cox
2001-10-25 21:47                                   ` Pavel Machek
2001-10-24 22:50                                 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-25  4:14                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-25 12:42                                     ` Alan Cox
2001-10-25 21:52                                       ` Xavier Bestel
2001-10-25 23:53                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-25 23:53                                           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-26 11:35                                       ` Helge Hafting
2001-10-26 12:38                                         ` Alan Cox
2001-10-25  8:27                                 ` Rob Turk
2001-10-25 10:01                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-25 10:02                                   ` Helge Hafting
2001-10-25 14:20                                   ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-10-25 14:44                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-25 14:45                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-25 15:22                                     ` Rob Turk
2001-10-25 15:44                                     ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-10-25 16:26                                     ` David Lang
2001-10-25 21:59                                   ` Pavel Machek
2001-10-25 21:32                                     ` Rob Turk
2001-10-24 17:01                               ` Mike Anderson
2001-10-25  9:02                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-25  9:29                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-25  9:47                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2001-10-25 10:11                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-25 10:59                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-24 15:18                         ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-10-24 15:41                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-24 15:59                           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24 15:56                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-23  9:44             ` Pavel Machek
2001-10-23 11:03               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-23 11:49                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-23 10:54           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-24 17:56 Grover, Andrew
2001-10-24 18:45 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-19 21:43 Grover, Andrew
2001-10-19 17:01 Kevin Easton
2001-10-19 18:40 ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-17 23:52 Patrick Mochel
2001-10-18  6:23 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-18 12:13   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-18 16:19     ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-18 17:38       ` Tim Jansen
2001-10-18 22:06       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-19 17:09       ` Kai Henningsen
2001-10-18 22:10     ` Kai Henningsen
2001-10-19 18:26       ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-19 19:02         ` Tim Jansen
2001-10-19 19:21           ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-19 20:07             ` Tim Jansen
2001-10-19 20:24               ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-19 22:25                 ` Tim Jansen
2001-10-20 13:47               ` Kai Henningsen
2001-10-20  1:41             ` john slee
2001-10-20 13:52         ` Kai Henningsen
2001-10-22 11:02           ` Padraig Brady
2001-10-27 11:01           ` Kai Henningsen
2001-10-19  7:57     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-10-19  8:09       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-19  8:31         ` Keith Owens
2001-10-19  8:43           ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-19 18:50       ` Tim Jansen
2001-10-19 15:21     ` Taral
2001-10-19 23:30     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-19 23:54       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-18 15:17   ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-18 16:08 ` Taral
2001-10-18 16:52 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-10-18 17:38   ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-18 17:41     ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-18 18:28     ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-10-18 19:49       ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-18 20:40         ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-18 21:32         ` John Alvord
2001-10-18 22:23           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-18 22:26           ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-18 22:18         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-18 23:30           ` Patrick Mochel
2001-10-18 23:44             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2001-10-18 23:52               ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-19 17:12       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-10-18 17:05 ` Jonathan Corbet
2001-10-18 17:33   ` Patrick Mochel

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