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From: Craig Dickson <crdic@yahoo.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Linux 2.2.20pre10
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:35:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011022163536.B19715@crdic.ath.cx> (raw)

There have been a lot of messages from a number of different people
about this "censored changelogs" issue. Rather than reply to various
points separately, I just want to sum up my views in one message.

I simply don't believe that Alan Cox is at any risk of prosecution, and
what's more, I don't believe that he believes it. He's just making a
dramatic political statement that will have no effect on the law, will
never even be noticed by American legislators, and serves only to annoy
US-based Linux users.

The words "Felten" and "Sklyarov" keep coming up in this discussion. The
parallel between Alan Cox's situation and those cases are simply not
valid.

Felten conducted research on how to break DRM systems that were being
considered for commercial use (the proposed SDMI standards).

Sklyarov developed (or helped develop) a product that breaks Adobe's
commercial DRM scheme for PDF files.

Note that both Felten and Skyarov developed and publicized (or announced
an intent to publicize, in Felten's case) ways of compromising
commercial, third-party DRM systems, thus embarrassing and antagonizing
the wealthy corporations that had invested time, money, and prestige in
those DRM systems. This has no real similarity with Alan Cox's kernel
work. All Alan is doing is fixing bugs in a system that he has every
right to work on, and has a long history of contributing to. He is _not_
reverse-engineering someone else's copyright-protection scheme and
publicizing how to circumvent it. And anyone who's ever actually _read_
his changelogs should know that they do not in any way amount to attack
recipes.

What's more, nobody sued or prosecuted Felten. The RIAA made threatening
noises, but backed off the instant they were called on it, insisting
that they had never had any intention of suing anybody, and they fully
supported Felten's rights as an academic researcher, blah blah blah.
(No, I don't really believe them, but the fact is, ultimately, they
didn't sue.) Felten elected not to present his paper mostly because it
gave him and the EFF a stronger case for his suit against the RIAA; he
couldn't very well present the paper and then sue them for preventing
him from doing so, and he obviously wants to be the Constitutional test
case or he wouldn't have bothered suing them at all after they publicly
backed down.

Alan Cox claims to have legal advice, but has said nothing about who
gave it to him, or what their qualifications are regarding US copyright
law and the DMCA, or even exactly what their reasoning was; all we know
is that the end result is that he's decided not to distribute complete
changelogs. I find it hard to take this sort of nebulous claim of "legal
advice" seriously when the advice seems nonsensical on its face.

Craig

             reply	other threads:[~2001-10-22 23:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 183+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-22 23:35 Craig Dickson [this message]
2001-10-23  0:53 ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-23  1:08   ` Craig Dickson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-26 20:26 Fabian Svara
2001-10-26 18:49 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-23 12:31 Jesse Pollard
2001-10-23  3:45 Thomas Hood
2001-10-23  2:48 Patrick Chase
2001-10-22 23:40 Carsten Kuckuk
2001-10-22 23:06 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 23:30 Thomas Hood
2001-10-22 23:45 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 22:27 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 23:56 ` David Weinehall
2001-10-23  0:40   ` Chris Gomez
2001-10-23 16:21 ` Jonathan Amery
2001-10-22 22:20 Leif Sawyer
     [not found] <fa.mf0j8bv.1e5o8jq@ifi.uio.no>
2001-10-22 22:15 ` Sam Varshavchik
2001-10-22 22:12 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 22:26 ` Kilobug
2001-10-22 21:07 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 20:57 Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 21:07 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 21:21   ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 21:23   ` Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 21:32     ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 22:13       ` Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 22:22         ` Jan Niehusmann
2001-10-22 23:25         ` Jeff Golds
2001-10-22 23:27         ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-23 16:27         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-10-23  1:59       ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-10-23  4:36         ` CaT
2001-10-23 10:50         ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-23 17:36         ` Paul Jakma
2001-10-23 18:25         ` David S. Miller
2001-10-22 21:37   ` Bob Glamm
2001-10-22 22:02     ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 22:17       ` Pedro Corte-Real
2001-10-22 23:02         ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 21:27 ` ogd116
2001-10-22 21:37   ` Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 21:43     ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 21:58       ` Tony Hoyle
2001-10-22 22:04         ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 21:48     ` ognen
2001-10-22 20:27 PinkFreud
2001-10-22 20:30 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 20:42   ` PinkFreud
2001-10-22 22:57     ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-22 23:21       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-22 21:17   ` D. Stimits
2001-10-23  0:11     ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-23 10:00       ` Marco Colombo
2001-10-22 20:22 Torrey Hoffman
2001-10-22 20:37 ` Tommy Reynolds
2001-10-22 19:58 Rogier Wolff
2001-10-22 20:28 ` Steve Brueggeman
2001-10-22 18:59 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 20:01 ` bill davidsen
2001-10-22 18:27 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 18:38 ` Nick LeRoy
2001-10-22 18:40 ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-22 19:23   ` Paul Fulghum
2001-10-22 19:14 ` Tudor Bosman
2001-10-22 19:42   ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-22 19:55   ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 20:42     ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 20:45       ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 21:12         ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 21:35           ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 22:49           ` David Weinehall
2001-10-22 23:29             ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 23:49               ` D. Stimits
2001-10-23  1:32                 ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 21:04       ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 20:28   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24 19:00   ` Riley Williams
2001-10-22 23:19 ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-22 18:13 Per Jessen
2001-10-24 13:27 ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-22 17:51 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 18:06 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 21:52   ` Kilobug
2001-10-23  6:29   ` Yoann Vandoorselaere
2001-10-22 18:41 ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-10-22 19:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2001-10-22 17:21 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 17:35 ` George Garvey
2001-10-22 17:46 ` Nick LeRoy
2001-10-22 17:57   ` Rob Turk
2001-10-22 19:45   ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 20:17   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 17:51 ` Rob Turk
2001-10-22 15:11 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 15:42 ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 16:03 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 10:21 Alan Cox
2001-10-22 10:37 ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 11:30   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 11:35     ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 11:55       ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 12:06         ` Matthias Andree
2001-10-22 12:29           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 13:24             ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-22 19:27             ` brian
2001-10-22 19:39               ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 20:04               ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-10-22 20:44                 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 20:45                   ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-10-23  5:56                   ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2001-10-27 16:18                 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-10-22 20:34               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 22:45                 ` Steven Walter
2001-10-22 23:07                   ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-22 23:24                     ` Steven Walter
2001-10-24  5:02                     ` Paul G. Allen
2001-10-23  3:55                   ` Nicholas Dronen
2001-10-22 23:39                 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-10-22 23:47                   ` Steven Walter
2001-10-23  1:01                     ` Jeff Golds
2001-10-23  1:35                       ` Steven Walter
2001-10-22 23:58                   ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-10-23  1:40                     ` Steven Walter
2001-10-22 23:04             ` David Ford
2001-10-22 23:15               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 23:32                 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-22 23:38               ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 23:57             ` Sam Vilain
2001-10-22 12:08         ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 12:30           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 12:25             ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 12:37               ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 13:33               ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-22 18:21                 ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 19:29                 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 18:14               ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 19:24               ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 13:07             ` Roger Gammans
2001-10-22 13:30               ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 16:11               ` David Lang
2001-10-22 14:11             ` Danny ter Haar
2001-10-22 16:20             ` bill davidsen
2001-10-22 16:34               ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 16:52                 ` Nick LeRoy
2001-10-22 19:39                   ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 19:49                     ` Doug McNaught
2001-10-22 20:51                       ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 23:07                   ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-22 23:30                     ` D. Stimits
2001-10-23  0:41                       ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-23  0:42                     ` Michael Rothwell
2001-10-22 19:56                 ` Gregory Ade
2001-10-22 20:59                 ` Jussi Laako
2001-10-22 21:56                 ` Bill Davidsen
2001-10-22 22:10                   ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 22:16                     ` Tony Hoyle
2001-10-23 13:21                       ` Nick LeRoy
2001-10-22 16:49               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 17:16                 ` Greg Hennessy
2001-10-22 19:35               ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 16:30             ` Andreas D. Landmark
2001-10-22 19:43             ` Gregory Ade
2001-10-22 20:14               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 21:30                 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-10-24  8:18                   ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-24 17:45         ` Riley Williams
2001-10-22 19:28     ` Gavin Baker
2001-10-22 10:40 ` Allan Sandfeld
2001-10-22 17:31   ` Dominik Kubla
2001-10-27 15:57     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-10-22 10:41 ` Andreas Haumer
2001-10-22 10:52   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24 22:41 ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-11 23:06 Alan Cox
2001-09-12  8:01 ` Roberto Nibali
2001-09-12  8:08 ` David Woodhouse
2001-09-12  8:36   ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-09-12  8:38     ` David Woodhouse
2001-09-12  8:21 ` Andreas Haumer
2001-09-17  6:08 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-09-17 12:24   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 15:04 ` Nicolas Turro

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