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From: David Weinehall <tao@acc.umu.se>
To: Tom Sightler <ttsig@tuxyturvy.com>
Cc: Dan Hollis <goemon@anime.net>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Tudor Bosman <tudorb@pikka.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Linux 2.2.20pre10
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:49:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011023004947.U25701@khan.acc.umu.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0110221345131.17672-100000@anime.net> <017601c15b3e$51b12b70$2a040a0a@zeusinc.com>
In-Reply-To: <017601c15b3e$51b12b70$2a040a0a@zeusinc.com>; from ttsig@tuxyturvy.com on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 05:12:53PM -0400

On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 05:12:53PM -0400, Tom Sightler wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > > Everyone wants to bring up the Sklyarov case, but he didn't just
> expose the
> > > > weakness of the code, his company actively sold a product for
> financial gain
> > > > that circumvented the protection.  While I still don't think the
> Sklyarov
> > > The Felten case is the more relevant one.
> >
> > decss as well -- strange how people forget that one so easily
> 
> Not forgotten, just trying to understand relevance.  How do these cases,
> which all revolve around breaking commercial products and cause damage to
> the corporations that push them, apply to security in the open source Linux
> kernel to which the public is given all rights.

For me, DeCSS is an application that has a purpose for watching DVD:s
when I boot my G4 into Linux instead of MacOS.

And even those that actually use DeCSS only to gain their "copyright"
(that is, provide you with your right to copy what you have purchased,
for backup-purposes, for instance) or indeed those that illegaly copy
DVDs, seldom do so to break commercial products and cause damage to the
corporations that push them.

As for the Sklyarov-case, I'm pretty sure he'd been arrested even if his
program had been an open source program under the GPL, freely
distributed etc.

[snip]


/David Weinehall
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-10-22 22:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 184+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-22 18:27 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 18:38 ` Nick LeRoy
2001-10-22 18:40 ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-22 19:23   ` Paul Fulghum
2001-10-22 19:14 ` Tudor Bosman
2001-10-22 19:42   ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-22 19:55   ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 20:42     ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 20:45       ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 21:12         ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 21:35           ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 22:49           ` David Weinehall [this message]
2001-10-22 23:29             ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 23:49               ` D. Stimits
2001-10-23  1:32                 ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-23  0:37               ` Re[2]: " victor
2001-10-22 21:04       ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 20:28   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24 19:00   ` Riley Williams
2001-10-22 23:19 ` Luigi Genoni
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-26 20:26 Fabian Svara
2001-10-26 18:49 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-23 12:31 Jesse Pollard
2001-10-23  3:45 Thomas Hood
2001-10-23  2:48 Patrick Chase
2001-10-22 23:40 Carsten Kuckuk
2001-10-22 23:06 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 23:35 Craig Dickson
2001-10-23  0:53 ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-23  1:08   ` Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 23:30 Thomas Hood
2001-10-22 23:45 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 22:27 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 23:56 ` David Weinehall
2001-10-23  0:40   ` Chris Gomez
2001-10-23 16:21 ` Jonathan Amery
2001-10-22 22:20 Leif Sawyer
     [not found] <fa.mf0j8bv.1e5o8jq@ifi.uio.no>
2001-10-22 22:15 ` Sam Varshavchik
2001-10-22 22:12 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 22:26 ` Kilobug
2001-10-22 21:07 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 20:57 Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 21:07 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 21:21   ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 21:23   ` Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 21:32     ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 22:13       ` Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 22:22         ` Jan Niehusmann
2001-10-22 23:25         ` Jeff Golds
2001-10-22 23:27         ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-23 16:27         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-10-23  1:59       ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-10-23  4:36         ` CaT
2001-10-23 10:50         ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-23 17:36         ` Paul Jakma
2001-10-23 18:25         ` David S. Miller
2001-10-22 21:37   ` Bob Glamm
2001-10-22 22:02     ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 22:17       ` Pedro Corte-Real
2001-10-22 23:02         ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 21:27 ` ogd116
2001-10-22 21:37   ` Craig Dickson
2001-10-22 21:43     ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 21:58       ` Tony Hoyle
2001-10-22 22:04         ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 21:48     ` ognen
2001-10-22 20:27 PinkFreud
2001-10-22 20:30 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 20:42   ` PinkFreud
2001-10-22 22:57     ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-22 23:21       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-10-22 21:17   ` D. Stimits
2001-10-23  0:11     ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-23 10:00       ` Marco Colombo
2001-10-22 20:22 Torrey Hoffman
2001-10-22 20:37 ` Tommy Reynolds
2001-10-22 19:58 Rogier Wolff
2001-10-22 20:28 ` Steve Brueggeman
2001-10-22 18:59 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 20:01 ` bill davidsen
2001-10-22 18:13 Per Jessen
2001-10-24 13:27 ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-22 17:51 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 18:06 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 21:52   ` Kilobug
2001-10-23  6:29   ` Yoann Vandoorselaere
2001-10-22 18:41 ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-10-22 19:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2001-10-22 17:21 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 17:35 ` George Garvey
2001-10-22 17:46 ` Nick LeRoy
2001-10-22 17:57   ` Rob Turk
2001-10-22 19:45   ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 20:17   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 17:51 ` Rob Turk
2001-10-22 15:11 Wayne.Brown
2001-10-22 15:42 ` Tom Sightler
2001-10-22 16:03 ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 10:21 Alan Cox
2001-10-22 10:37 ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 11:30   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 11:35     ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 11:55       ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 12:06         ` Matthias Andree
2001-10-22 12:29           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 13:24             ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-22 19:27             ` brian
2001-10-22 19:39               ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 20:04               ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-10-22 20:44                 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 20:45                   ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-10-23  5:56                   ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2001-10-27 16:18                 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-10-22 20:34               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 22:45                 ` Steven Walter
2001-10-22 23:07                   ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-22 23:24                     ` Steven Walter
2001-10-24  5:02                     ` Paul G. Allen
2001-10-23  3:55                   ` Nicholas Dronen
2001-10-22 23:39                 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-10-22 23:47                   ` Steven Walter
2001-10-23  1:01                     ` Jeff Golds
2001-10-23  1:35                       ` Steven Walter
2001-10-22 23:58                   ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-10-23  1:40                     ` Steven Walter
2001-10-22 23:04             ` David Ford
2001-10-22 23:15               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 23:32                 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-22 23:38               ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 23:57             ` Sam Vilain
2001-10-22 12:08         ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 12:30           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 12:25             ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 12:37               ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 13:33               ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-22 18:21                 ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 19:29                 ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 18:14               ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 19:24               ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 13:07             ` Roger Gammans
2001-10-22 13:30               ` bert hubert
2001-10-22 16:11               ` David Lang
2001-10-22 14:11             ` Danny ter Haar
2001-10-22 16:20             ` bill davidsen
2001-10-22 16:34               ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-22 16:52                 ` Nick LeRoy
2001-10-22 19:39                   ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 19:49                     ` Doug McNaught
2001-10-22 20:51                       ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 23:07                   ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-22 23:30                     ` D. Stimits
2001-10-23  0:41                       ` Luigi Genoni
2001-10-23  0:42                     ` Michael Rothwell
2001-10-22 19:56                 ` Gregory Ade
2001-10-22 20:59                 ` Jussi Laako
2001-10-22 21:56                 ` Bill Davidsen
2001-10-22 22:10                   ` Dan Hollis
2001-10-22 22:16                     ` Tony Hoyle
2001-10-23 13:21                       ` Nick LeRoy
2001-10-22 16:49               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 17:16                 ` Greg Hennessy
2001-10-22 19:35               ` D. Stimits
2001-10-22 16:30             ` Andreas D. Landmark
2001-10-22 19:43             ` Gregory Ade
2001-10-22 20:14               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 21:30                 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-10-24  8:18                   ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-24 17:45         ` Riley Williams
2001-10-22 19:28     ` Gavin Baker
2001-10-22 10:40 ` Allan Sandfeld
2001-10-22 17:31   ` Dominik Kubla
2001-10-27 15:57     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-10-22 10:41 ` Andreas Haumer
2001-10-22 10:52   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-24 22:41 ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-11 23:06 Alan Cox
2001-09-12  8:01 ` Roberto Nibali
2001-09-12  8:08 ` David Woodhouse
2001-09-12  8:36   ` Kai Germaschewski
2001-09-12  8:38     ` David Woodhouse
2001-09-12  8:21 ` Andreas Haumer
2001-09-17  6:08 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-09-17 12:24   ` Alan Cox
2001-10-22 15:04 ` Nicolas Turro

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