From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmerkey@vger.timpanogas.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: kernel debuggers (was Bitkeeper Bashing)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:37:07 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020307143707.A725@vger.timpanogas.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020305165233.A28212@fireball.zosima.org> <20020306095434.B6599@borg.org> <20020306085646.F15303@work.bitmover.com> <20020306221305.GA370@elf.ucw.cz> <a68edn$jjp$1@penguin.transmeta.com>
In-Reply-To: <a68edn$jjp$1@penguin.transmeta.com>; from torvalds@transmeta.com on Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 07:18:15PM +0000
>
> And I personally refuse to use inferior tools because of ideology. In
> fact, I will go as far as saying that making excuses for bad tools
> due to ideology is _stupid_, and people who do that think with their
> gonads, not their brains.
Linus,
A reasonable explanation. However, this begs the question as to
**WHY** you are so opposed to kernel debuggers in Linux. Code
reviews don't catch hardware bugs or other types of performance
issues related to bus architecture, etc.
Opposition to a kernel debugger in Linux, at least from the
view of some folks, is a case of someone using inferior methods
because of ideaology.
Not meant as a recrimination, but you've just made the case for
kernel debuggers in Linux.
:-)
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-03-07 21:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-03-05 22:41 Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers Jeff V. Merkey
2002-03-05 21:52 ` The Open Source Club at The Ohio State University
2002-03-05 22:16 ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-05 22:38 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-03-06 0:51 ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-06 14:54 ` Kent Borg
2002-03-06 16:56 ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-06 22:13 ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-07 16:17 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-03-07 19:54 ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 20:15 ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-07 20:38 ` yodaiken
2002-03-07 21:05 ` [opensource] " michael bernstein
2002-03-07 21:07 ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-08 4:12 ` Open Source should stand on its own two legs Mark Mielke
2002-03-07 21:24 ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers Richard Gooch
2002-03-07 22:44 ` Florian Weimer
2002-03-07 23:08 ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of Alan Cox
2002-03-07 23:04 ` Florian Weimer
2002-03-07 21:41 ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers yodaiken
2002-03-07 22:01 ` John Jasen
2002-03-07 22:17 ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 23:21 ` Alan Cox
2002-03-13 2:31 ` Petro
2002-03-08 2:38 ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-07 20:50 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-03-07 20:53 ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-07 21:23 ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 21:42 ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 21:47 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-03-07 20:50 ` Cort Dougan
2002-03-07 21:12 ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 21:15 ` Cort Dougan
2002-03-07 22:28 ` Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by LinuxMaintainers Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 22:47 ` Cort Dougan
2002-03-07 22:56 ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-15 6:45 ` kgdb for 2.4 and 2.5, now in BK Jeff Garzik
2002-03-07 21:47 ` Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 21:58 ` Cort Dougan
2002-03-07 21:58 ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 22:08 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-07 22:46 ` Florian Weimer
2002-03-07 22:42 ` Florian Weimer
2002-03-07 19:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-07 19:32 ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-07 20:12 ` george anzinger
2002-03-07 21:37 ` Jeff V. Merkey [this message]
2002-03-05 22:40 ` [opensource] " Colin Walters
2002-03-05 22:54 ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement ofBitKeeper " Jeff Garzik
2002-03-05 23:11 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-03-06 0:09 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2002-03-06 2:23 ` Karl
2002-03-06 3:35 ` michael bernstein
2002-03-07 1:22 ` David Schwartz
2002-03-05 23:01 ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper " Mike Fedyk
2002-03-05 23:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-05 23:25 ` David Lang
2002-03-06 20:46 ` Mark Mielke
2002-03-06 21:07 ` Chris Friesen
2002-03-07 2:35 ` Petro
2002-03-05 23:16 ` David Lang
2002-03-05 23:36 ` Michael Bernstein
2002-03-05 23:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-05 23:57 ` That Linux Guy
2002-03-06 1:05 ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-06 1:22 ` Dave Jones
2002-03-06 1:46 ` Shawn Starr
2002-03-06 1:50 ` Mike Fedyk
2002-03-06 1:59 ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-06 2:19 ` Shawn Starr
2002-03-06 16:08 ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 1:27 ` David Schwartz
2002-03-07 1:34 ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 2:33 ` Petro
2002-03-07 7:06 ` Rob Turk
2002-03-06 0:02 ` Kenneth Johansson
2002-03-05 23:06 ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement ofBitKeeper " Colin Walters
2002-03-05 23:19 ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper " Colin Walters
2002-03-06 16:04 ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-06 19:46 ` Colin Walters
2002-03-06 20:12 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-03-06 20:24 ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-06 20:57 ` David S. Miller
2002-03-06 21:12 ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-06 21:15 ` Cort Dougan
2002-03-06 21:25 ` Evan Powers
2002-03-05 23:58 ` Alan Cox
2002-03-06 0:11 ` [opensource] " Colin Walters
2002-03-06 6:11 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-03-06 7:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-03-06 15:58 ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 9:15 ` Pau Aliagas
2002-03-05 22:50 ` Kilobug
2002-03-05 23:29 ` Stephen Samuel
[not found] ` <004301c1c4a6$ab218340$b0d3fea9@pcs686>
2002-03-08 1:39 ` Stephen Samuel
2002-03-08 2:25 ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-08 3:32 ` yodaiken
2002-03-08 4:35 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-03-08 7:56 ` Sean Hunter
2002-03-06 2:23 ` Karl
2002-03-06 3:47 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2002-03-06 3:40 ` [opensource] " michael bernstein
2002-03-06 5:04 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2002-03-09 16:12 ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeepe Kai Henningsen
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