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From: Mark Mielke <mark@mark.mielke.cc>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@work.bitmover.com>,
	michael bernstein <bernstein.46@osu.edu>,
	Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>,
	Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@drgw.net>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Kent Borg <kentborg@borg.org>,
	The Open Source Club at The Ohio State University 
	<opensource-admin@cis.ohio-state.edu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, opensource@cis.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Open Source should stand on its own two legs.
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 23:12:11 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020307231211.B6143@mark.mielke.cc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020307121509.I20271@work.bitmover.com> <10B32CBD-320F-11D6-BAF0-003065C60BC2@osu.edu> <20020307130751.D1657@work.bitmover.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020307130751.D1657@work.bitmover.com>; from lm@bitmover.com on Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 01:07:51PM -0800

On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 01:07:51PM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
> > I'm a poor college student
> And I have two kids on their way to college.  Grow up.

Anybody who limits their ideology to (solely) how much (or little)
something costs, has missed the point entirely.

As such, poor college students shouldn't assume that their new world
religion regarding software should apply to everyone to the extreme
that they feel it should apply to. The benefits of Open Source are
*NOT* about money. The fact that Open Source projects tend to be free
is one of the effects of the theoretically optimal path that Open
Source ideology suggests is possible. It is not a *requirement*.

If Open Source, the Open Source being stouted, is so wonderful, how
about letting it prove *itself*. If anybody needs to boycott superior
products in order to allow Open Source products to compete, all that
it being shown is that the Open Source movement may *not* be the
answer. After all, if Open Source projects cannot compete with
non-Open Source projects -- how can it be claimed that Open Source
is a valid and practical ideology?

Open Source fanatics: Let your ideology stand up for itself. Don't
cheat.

mark

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  reply	other threads:[~2002-03-08  4:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-03-05 22:41 Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers Jeff V. Merkey
2002-03-05 21:52 ` The Open Source Club at The Ohio State University
2002-03-05 22:16   ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-05 22:38   ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-03-06  0:51     ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-06 14:54       ` Kent Borg
2002-03-06 16:56         ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-06 22:13           ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-07 16:17             ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-03-07 19:54               ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 20:15                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-07 20:38                   ` yodaiken
2002-03-07 21:05                   ` [opensource] " michael bernstein
2002-03-07 21:07                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-08  4:12                       ` Mark Mielke [this message]
2002-03-07 21:24                     ` Richard Gooch
2002-03-07 22:44                       ` Florian Weimer
2002-03-07 23:08                         ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of Alan Cox
2002-03-07 23:04                           ` Florian Weimer
2002-03-07 21:41                     ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers yodaiken
2002-03-07 22:01                     ` John Jasen
2002-03-07 22:17                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 23:21                     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-13  2:31                       ` Petro
2002-03-08  2:38                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-07 20:50                 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-03-07 20:53                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-07 21:23                   ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 21:42                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 21:47                   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-03-07 20:50                 ` Cort Dougan
2002-03-07 21:12                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 21:15                     ` Cort Dougan
2002-03-07 22:28                     ` Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by LinuxMaintainers Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 22:47                       ` Cort Dougan
2002-03-07 22:56                         ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-15  6:45                       ` kgdb for 2.4 and 2.5, now in BK Jeff Garzik
2002-03-07 21:47                   ` Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 21:58                     ` Cort Dougan
2002-03-07 21:58                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 22:08                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-07 22:46                   ` Florian Weimer
2002-03-07 22:42               ` Florian Weimer
2002-03-07 19:18             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-07 19:32               ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-07 20:12               ` george anzinger
2002-03-07 21:37               ` kernel debuggers (was Bitkeeper Bashing) Jeff V. Merkey
2002-03-05 22:40   ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers Colin Walters
2002-03-05 22:54     ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement ofBitKeeper " Jeff Garzik
2002-03-05 23:11       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-03-06  0:09       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2002-03-06  2:23       ` Karl
2002-03-06  3:35         ` michael bernstein
2002-03-07  1:22       ` David Schwartz
2002-03-05 23:01     ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper " Mike Fedyk
2002-03-05 23:14       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-05 23:25         ` David Lang
2002-03-06 20:46         ` Mark Mielke
2002-03-06 21:07           ` Chris Friesen
2002-03-07  2:35           ` Petro
2002-03-05 23:16       ` David Lang
2002-03-05 23:36       ` Michael Bernstein
2002-03-05 23:52         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-05 23:57           ` That Linux Guy
2002-03-06  1:05         ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-06  1:22           ` Dave Jones
2002-03-06  1:46             ` Shawn Starr
2002-03-06  1:50               ` Mike Fedyk
2002-03-06  1:59                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-06  2:19                 ` Shawn Starr
2002-03-06 16:08         ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07  1:27         ` David Schwartz
2002-03-07  1:34           ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07  2:33             ` Petro
2002-03-07  7:06               ` Rob Turk
2002-03-06  0:02       ` Kenneth Johansson
2002-03-05 23:06     ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement ofBitKeeper " Colin Walters
2002-03-05 23:19     ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper " Colin Walters
2002-03-06 16:04     ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-06 19:46       ` Colin Walters
2002-03-06 20:12         ` Davide Libenzi
2002-03-06 20:24           ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-06 20:57     ` David S. Miller
2002-03-06 21:12       ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-06 21:15         ` Cort Dougan
2002-03-06 21:25       ` Evan Powers
2002-03-05 23:58   ` Alan Cox
2002-03-06  0:11     ` [opensource] " Colin Walters
2002-03-06  6:11       ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-03-06  7:50   ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-03-06 15:58   ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07  9:15     ` Pau Aliagas
2002-03-05 22:50 ` Kilobug
2002-03-05 23:29 ` Stephen Samuel
     [not found]   ` <004301c1c4a6$ab218340$b0d3fea9@pcs686>
2002-03-08  1:39     ` Stephen Samuel
2002-03-08  2:25       ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-08  3:32       ` yodaiken
2002-03-08  4:35         ` Andreas Dilger
2002-03-08  7:56       ` Sean Hunter
2002-03-06  2:23 ` Karl
2002-03-06  3:47   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2002-03-06  3:40     ` [opensource] " michael bernstein
2002-03-06  5:04       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2002-03-09 16:12 ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeepe Kai Henningsen

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