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From: Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@drgw.net>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Larry McVoy <lm@work.bitmover.com>,
	Kent Borg <kentborg@borg.org>,
	The Open Source Club at The Ohio State University 
	<opensource-admin@cis.ohio-state.edu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, opensource@cis.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:50:31 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020307145031.V1682@altus.drgw.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020305165233.A28212@fireball.zosima.org> <20020305163809.D1682@altus.drgw.net> <20020305165123.V12235@work.bitmover.com> <20020306095434.B6599@borg.org> <20020306085646.F15303@work.bitmover.com> <20020306221305.GA370@elf.ucw.cz>, <20020306221305.GA370@elf.ucw.cz>; <20020307101701.S1682@altus.drgw.net> <3C87C583.C8565E4B@zip.com.au>
In-Reply-To: <3C87C583.C8565E4B@zip.com.au>; from akpm@zip.com.au on Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 11:54:43AM -0800

On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 11:54:43AM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
> > 
> > I'd really like everyone that's bitching about BK to shut the hell up and
> > go work on some scripts to allow a maintainer to easily manage a
> > BK<->$OTHER_SCM gateway.
> 
> ie: "We broke it.  You fix it".
> 
> It's not reasonable to expect people who shall not be using bitkeeper
> to go off and perform enhancements to bitkeeper so that they can
> continue to be effective kernel developers.

No. Try:
"You're whining, here's how fix it, because I don't have time or
motivation"

Larry went to a lot of trouble to listen to what kernel developers 
wanted, and a lot of work to implement some of it. I expect same courtesy 
of everyone who is complaining.

I am not expecting any 'enhancements to bitkeeper'.. that is Larry's job. 

> If additional development around bitkeeper is needed then the onus
> is upon the bitkeeper side to do that work.  (And yes, there are
> sides now).

If Larry can make good on his 'threat' to write a read-only cvs pserver 
interface to BK, I think he's done his part. (BK -> $OTHER_SCM)

Then I'd really like to see scripts to make it easy to go from
$YOUR_FAVORITE_SCM -> patch -> BK, while keeping important metadata, like,
oh, say, comments. The patch->BK part is already done. It's up to the
other 'side' now to get changes from $YOUR_FAVORITE_SCM into BK without
either losing lots of information, or taking lots of time.

Various people have probably already done all of this. Now can someone 
bother to spend some time to find the best methods for this and integrate
it into a nice 'packaged' setup? (along with a 'HOWTO')

-- 
Troy Benjegerdes | master of mispeeling | 'da hozer' |  hozer@drgw.net
-----"If this message isn't misspelled, I didn't write it" -- Me -----
"Why do musicians compose symphonies and poets write poems? They do it
because life wouldn't have any meaning for them if they didn't. That's 
why I draw cartoons. It's my life." -- Charles Schulz

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-03-07 20:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-03-05 22:41 Jeff V. Merkey
2002-03-05 21:52 ` The Open Source Club at The Ohio State University
2002-03-05 22:16   ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-05 22:38   ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-03-06  0:51     ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-06 14:54       ` Kent Borg
2002-03-06 16:56         ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-06 22:13           ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-07 16:17             ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-03-07 19:54               ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 20:15                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-07 20:38                   ` yodaiken
2002-03-07 21:05                   ` [opensource] " michael bernstein
2002-03-07 21:07                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-08  4:12                       ` Open Source should stand on its own two legs Mark Mielke
2002-03-07 21:24                     ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers Richard Gooch
2002-03-07 22:44                       ` Florian Weimer
2002-03-07 23:08                         ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of Alan Cox
2002-03-07 23:04                           ` Florian Weimer
2002-03-07 21:41                     ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers yodaiken
2002-03-07 22:01                     ` John Jasen
2002-03-07 22:17                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 23:21                     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-13  2:31                       ` Petro
2002-03-08  2:38                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-07 20:50                 ` Troy Benjegerdes [this message]
2002-03-07 20:53                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-07 21:23                   ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 21:42                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 21:47                   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-03-07 20:50                 ` Cort Dougan
2002-03-07 21:12                   ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 21:15                     ` Cort Dougan
2002-03-07 22:28                     ` Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by LinuxMaintainers Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 22:47                       ` Cort Dougan
2002-03-07 22:56                         ` Andrew Morton
2002-03-15  6:45                       ` kgdb for 2.4 and 2.5, now in BK Jeff Garzik
2002-03-07 21:47                   ` Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers Andrew Morton
2002-03-07 21:58                     ` Cort Dougan
2002-03-07 21:58                     ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07 22:08                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-07 22:46                   ` Florian Weimer
2002-03-07 22:42               ` Florian Weimer
2002-03-07 19:18             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-07 19:32               ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-07 20:12               ` george anzinger
2002-03-07 21:37               ` kernel debuggers (was Bitkeeper Bashing) Jeff V. Merkey
2002-03-05 22:40   ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers Colin Walters
2002-03-05 22:54     ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement ofBitKeeper " Jeff Garzik
2002-03-05 23:11       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-03-06  0:09       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2002-03-06  2:23       ` Karl
2002-03-06  3:35         ` michael bernstein
2002-03-07  1:22       ` David Schwartz
2002-03-05 23:01     ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper " Mike Fedyk
2002-03-05 23:14       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-05 23:25         ` David Lang
2002-03-06 20:46         ` Mark Mielke
2002-03-06 21:07           ` Chris Friesen
2002-03-07  2:35           ` Petro
2002-03-05 23:16       ` David Lang
2002-03-05 23:36       ` Michael Bernstein
2002-03-05 23:52         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-05 23:57           ` That Linux Guy
2002-03-06  1:05         ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-06  1:22           ` Dave Jones
2002-03-06  1:46             ` Shawn Starr
2002-03-06  1:50               ` Mike Fedyk
2002-03-06  1:59                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-06  2:19                 ` Shawn Starr
2002-03-06 16:08         ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07  1:27         ` David Schwartz
2002-03-07  1:34           ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07  2:33             ` Petro
2002-03-07  7:06               ` Rob Turk
2002-03-06  0:02       ` Kenneth Johansson
2002-03-05 23:06     ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement ofBitKeeper " Colin Walters
2002-03-05 23:19     ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper " Colin Walters
2002-03-06 16:04     ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-06 19:46       ` Colin Walters
2002-03-06 20:12         ` Davide Libenzi
2002-03-06 20:24           ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-06 20:57     ` David S. Miller
2002-03-06 21:12       ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-06 21:15         ` Cort Dougan
2002-03-06 21:25       ` Evan Powers
2002-03-05 23:58   ` Alan Cox
2002-03-06  0:11     ` [opensource] " Colin Walters
2002-03-06  6:11       ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-03-06  7:50   ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-03-06 15:58   ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-07  9:15     ` Pau Aliagas
2002-03-05 22:50 ` Kilobug
2002-03-05 23:29 ` Stephen Samuel
     [not found]   ` <004301c1c4a6$ab218340$b0d3fea9@pcs686>
2002-03-08  1:39     ` Stephen Samuel
2002-03-08  2:25       ` Alexander Viro
2002-03-08  3:32       ` yodaiken
2002-03-08  4:35         ` Andreas Dilger
2002-03-08  7:56       ` Sean Hunter
2002-03-06  2:23 ` Karl
2002-03-06  3:47   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2002-03-06  3:40     ` [opensource] " michael bernstein
2002-03-06  5:04       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2002-03-09 16:12 ` [opensource] Re: Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeepe Kai Henningsen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-07 18:10 Petition Against Official Endorsement of BitKeeper by Linux Maintainers Nicholas Berry
2002-03-07 18:02 Jean-Luc Leger
2002-03-07 18:33 ` Cort Dougan
     [not found] <20020305165233.A28212@fireball.zosima.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <3C8543CC.A6017F76@zip.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-03-06  9:40   ` Andi Kleen
2002-03-06 10:17     ` Dave Jones
2002-03-06 14:48       ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2002-03-06 15:59         ` yodaiken
2002-03-06 13:26     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-03-06 14:30       ` Roman Zippel
2002-03-06 17:00         ` Larry McVoy
2002-03-06 18:11           ` Roman Zippel
2002-03-07  4:27             ` Troy Benjegerdes
2002-03-07 16:51           ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-03-07 17:26             ` Mark Mielke
2002-03-07 17:39               ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-08 10:07             ` Matthias Andree
2002-03-05 22:33 rddunlap

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