From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk
Subject: Re: AUDIT: copy_from_user is a deathtrap.
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 23:53:36 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020516235335.C116@toy.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E179HQd-0000j7-00@wagner.rustcorp.com.au> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205182030160.31341-100000@home.transmeta.com>
Hi!
> > Um, what about delivering a SIGSEGV? So, copy_to/from_user always
> > returns 0, but a signal is delivered.
>
> That doesn't help. It's against some stupid SUS rule, I'm afraid.
>
> (And THAT is a stupid rule, I 100% agree with. It means that some things
> return -EFAULT, and other things do SIGSEGV, and the only difference is
> whether something is a system call or is implemented as a library thing.
> UNIX should always just have segfaulted, but there you are..)
I thought POSIX made it explicit that you may SIGSEGV or EFAULT at your
option. If that SUS rule is stupid, we should just drop it.
Performance advantage from MMX-copy-to-user is probably well worth it.
Ouch, and your read example. Imagine you do read (fd, buf, 12000), and first
page of buf is there, second is not and third is [could happen in your GC
case]. What if copy-to-user decides to first write byte 11045 of buffer,
then byte 17, then byte 4875 (and fault)? I think kernel *has* right to
do that. What will it use as return value?
I think such GC library is seriously broken.
Pavel
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[not found] <E178eMm-0000NO-00@wagner.rustcorp.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205171936220.1524-100000@home.transmeta.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-05-18 10:16 ` Andi Kleen
2002-05-18 16:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-19 2:10 ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-19 3:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-19 3:05 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-19 4:01 ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-19 4:02 ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-16 23:56 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-16 23:56 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-19 3:31 ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-19 3:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-16 23:53 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2002-05-21 20:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-21 21:17 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-21 21:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-21 21:44 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-21 21:46 ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-21 22:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-21 22:21 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-22 13:47 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 14:13 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-22 14:54 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 14:42 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-22 15:27 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 18:58 ` Kasper Dupont
2002-05-22 22:02 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-23 3:54 ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-23 11:15 ` Edgar Toernig
2002-05-22 16:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-22 20:28 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-22 0:47 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-22 5:01 ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-22 6:28 ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-22 4:57 ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-22 13:30 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 18:43 ` Marco Colombo
2002-05-19 20:23 ` Edgar Toernig
2002-05-19 22:44 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 13:40 Petr Vandrovec
2002-05-22 18:58 ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-05-22 14:13 ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-05-22 10:08 Petr Vandrovec
2002-05-22 16:23 ` Denis Vlasenko
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205191951460.22433-100000@home.transmeta.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
[not found] ` <E179fAd-0005vs-00@wagner.rustcorp.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-05-20 10:59 ` Andi Kleen
2002-05-19 3:38 Rusty Russell
2002-05-19 5:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-17 0:00 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-18 21:47 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-19 12:22 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-19 18:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-19 19:57 ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-20 2:06 ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-20 2:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-20 4:53 ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-19 20:12 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-05-20 16:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-19 11:41 ` Alan Cox
[not found] <mailman.1021642692.12772.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2002-05-17 17:36 ` Pete Zaitcev
2002-05-18 1:05 ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-18 2:57 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-16 23:27 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <200205191212.g4JCCLY25867@Port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua>
[not found] ` <20020520112232.A8983@devserv.devel.redhat.com>
2002-05-21 10:57 ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-05-21 6:21 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-05-21 8:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-05-21 19:02 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-05-22 14:27 ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-05-17 9:27 Rusty Russell
2002-05-17 9:21 ` David S. Miller
2002-05-17 9:49 ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-17 9:35 ` David S. Miller
2002-05-17 12:26 ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-17 17:42 ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-05-17 12:17 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-17 12:21 ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-17 12:58 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-17 12:58 ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-17 13:13 ` John Levon
2002-05-17 14:52 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-18 1:26 ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-17 17:58 ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-05-18 2:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-18 15:06 ` John Alvord
2002-05-17 10:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
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