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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk
Subject: Re: AUDIT: copy_from_user is a deathtrap.
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:31:55 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E179HQd-0000j7-00@wagner.rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 18 May 2002 20:01:48 MST." <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205181958140.30454-100000@home.transmeta.com>

In message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205181958140.30454-100000@home.transmeta.com> you wr
ite:
> 
> 
> On Sun, 19 May 2002, Rusty Russell wrote:
> >
> > Huh?  No, you ask for 2000 bytes into a buffer that can only take 1000
> > bytes without hitting an unmapped page, returning EFAULT or giving a
> > SIGSEGV is perfectly acceptable.
> 
> Bzzt, wrong answer.
> 
> Partial reads/writes are perfectly possible and non-buggy for any system
> that uses variations of mmap/mprotect to implement user-level memory
> management, for example persistant data-bases, garbage collection etc.
> 
> Which means that if half of a buffer used for "read()" just happens to be
> marked non-writable for some GC purpose, the kernel HAS to have the
> ability return the right answer (which in this case is to say "I could
> only read 1000 bytes"). Because anything else just doesn't give the GC
> library (or whatever) any way to recover nicely.

Um, what about delivering a SIGSEGV?  So, copy_to/from_user always
returns 0, but a signal is delivered.  Then the only places which need
to be clever are the mount option copying, and the signal delivery
code for SIGSEGV (which uses copy_to_user).

This has the benefit of not breaking existing kernel code, whichever
interpretation of the return value is used.

> > As a coder, I'd *really* prefer that to hiding the bug!
> 
> Rusty, face it, you're wrong on this one. Just drop it.

That's certainly possible,
Rusty.
--
  Anyone who quotes me in their sig is an idiot. -- Rusty Russell.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-05-19  3:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <E178eMm-0000NO-00@wagner.rustcorp.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205171936220.1524-100000@home.transmeta.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-05-18 10:16   ` Andi Kleen
2002-05-18 16:14     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-19  2:10       ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-19  3:01         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-19  3:05           ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-19  4:01             ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-19  4:02               ` Larry McVoy
2002-05-16 23:56                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-16 23:56                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-19  3:31           ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2002-05-19  3:34             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-16 23:53               ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-21 20:47                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-21 21:17                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-21 21:25                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-21 21:44                     ` Alan Cox
2002-05-21 21:46                       ` Andrew Morton
2002-05-21 22:04                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-21 22:21                           ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-22 13:47                             ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 14:13                               ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-22 14:54                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 14:42                                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-22 15:27                                     ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 18:58                                   ` Kasper Dupont
2002-05-22 22:02                                     ` Alan Cox
2002-05-23  3:54                                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-23 11:15                                     ` Edgar Toernig
2002-05-22 16:09                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-22 20:28                                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-22  0:47                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-05-22  5:01                         ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-22  6:28                         ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-22  4:57                       ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-22 13:30                         ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 18:43                     ` Marco Colombo
2002-05-19 20:23       ` Edgar Toernig
2002-05-19 22:44         ` Alan Cox
2002-05-22 13:40 Petr Vandrovec
2002-05-22 18:58 ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-05-22 14:13   ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-05-22 10:08 Petr Vandrovec
2002-05-22 16:23 ` Denis Vlasenko
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205191951460.22433-100000@home.transmeta.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <E179fAd-0005vs-00@wagner.rustcorp.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-05-20 10:59   ` Andi Kleen
2002-05-19  3:38 Rusty Russell
2002-05-19  5:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-17  0:00   ` Pavel Machek
2002-05-18 21:47   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-05-19 12:22     ` Alan Cox
2002-05-19 18:29     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-19 19:57       ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-20  2:06       ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-20  2:54         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-20  4:53           ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-19 20:12             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-05-20 16:00             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-19 11:41   ` Alan Cox
     [not found] <mailman.1021642692.12772.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2002-05-17 17:36 ` Pete Zaitcev
2002-05-18  1:05   ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-18  2:57     ` Alan Cox
2002-05-16 23:27       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found] ` <200205191212.g4JCCLY25867@Port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua>
     [not found]   ` <20020520112232.A8983@devserv.devel.redhat.com>
2002-05-21 10:57     ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-05-21  6:21       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-05-21  8:33         ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-05-21 19:02           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-05-22 14:27         ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-05-17  9:27 Rusty Russell
2002-05-17  9:21 ` David S. Miller
2002-05-17  9:49   ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-17  9:35     ` David S. Miller
2002-05-17 12:26       ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-17 17:42         ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-05-17 12:17     ` Alan Cox
2002-05-17 12:21       ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-17 12:58         ` Alan Cox
2002-05-17 12:58           ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-17 13:13             ` John Levon
2002-05-17 14:52             ` Alan Cox
2002-05-18  1:26               ` Rusty Russell
2002-05-17 17:58             ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-05-18  2:37     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-05-18 15:06       ` John Alvord
2002-05-17 10:20 ` Christoph Hellwig

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