* [PATCH] Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid()
@ 2002-08-07 22:03 Paul Larson
2002-08-07 23:06 ` Andrew Morton
0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Paul Larson @ 2002-08-07 22:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Linus Torvalds, lkml; +Cc: davej, frankeh, andrea
This patch provides an improved version of get_pid() while also taking
care of the bug that causes the machine to hang when you hit PID_MAX.
It is based on both solutions to the problem provided by Hubertus Franke
and Andrea Arcangeli. This uses a bitmap to find an available pid and
uses Hubertus's adaptive implementation to only use this when it is more
beneficial than the old mechanism. The getpid_mutex from AA's patch is
also carried over to avoid the race where another cpu could get the same
pid before SET_LINKS was called.
This should patch cleanly against 2.5.30 or bk current.
Please apply.
--- a/kernel/fork.c Wed Aug 7 16:37:38 2002
+++ b/kernel/fork.c Wed Aug 7 16:05:22 2002
@@ -50,6 +50,12 @@
rwlock_t tasklist_lock __cacheline_aligned = RW_LOCK_UNLOCKED; /* outer */
+/*
+ * Protectes next_safe, last_pid and it avoids races
+ * between get_pid and SET_LINKS().
+ */
+static DECLARE_MUTEX(getpid_mutex);
+
void add_wait_queue(wait_queue_head_t *q, wait_queue_t * wait)
{
unsigned long flags;
@@ -129,27 +135,107 @@
kmem_cache_free(task_struct_cachep,tsk);
}
-/* Protects next_safe and last_pid. */
-spinlock_t lastpid_lock = SPIN_LOCK_UNLOCKED;
+/* this should be provided in every architecture */
+#ifndef SHIFT_PER_LONG
+#if BITS_PER_LONG == 64
+# define SHIFT_PER_LONG 6
+#elif BITS_PER_LONG == 32
+# define SHIFT_PER_LONG 5
+#else
+#error "SHIFT_PER_LONG"
+#endif
+#endif
+
+#define RESERVED_PIDS (300)
+#define GETPID_THRESHOLD (22000) /* when to switch to a mapped algo */
+#define PID_MAP_SIZE (PID_MAX >> SHIFT_PER_LONG)
+static unsigned long pid_map[PID_MAP_SIZE];
+static int next_safe = PID_MAX;
+
+static inline void mark_pid(int pid)
+{
+ __set_bit(pid,pid_map);
+}
+
+static int get_pid_by_map(int lastpid)
+{
+ static int mark_and_sweep = 0;
+
+ int round = 0;
+ struct task_struct *p;
+ int i;
+ unsigned long mask;
+ int fpos;
+
+
+ if (mark_and_sweep) {
+repeat:
+ mark_and_sweep = 0;
+ memset(pid_map, 0, PID_MAP_SIZE * sizeof(unsigned long));
+ lastpid = RESERVED_PIDS;
+ }
+ for_each_task(p) {
+ mark_pid(p->pid);
+ mark_pid(p->pgrp);
+ mark_pid(p->tgid);
+ mark_pid(p->session);
+ }
+
+ /* find next free pid */
+ i = (lastpid >> SHIFT_PER_LONG);
+ mask = pid_map[i] | ((1 << ((lastpid & (BITS_PER_LONG-1)))) - 1);
+
+ while ((mask == ~0) && (++i < PID_MAP_SIZE))
+ mask = pid_map[i];
+
+ if (i == PID_MAP_SIZE) {
+ if (round == 0) {
+ round = 1;
+ goto repeat;
+ }
+ next_safe = RESERVED_PIDS;
+ mark_and_sweep = 1; /* mark next time */
+ return 0;
+ }
+
+ fpos = ffz(mask);
+ i &= (PID_MAX-1);
+ lastpid = (i << SHIFT_PER_LONG) + fpos;
+
+ /* find next save pid */
+ mask &= ~((1 << fpos) - 1);
+
+ while ((mask == 0) && (++i < PID_MAP_SIZE))
+ mask = pid_map[i];
+
+ if (i==PID_MAP_SIZE)
+ next_safe = PID_MAX;
+ else
+ next_safe = (i << SHIFT_PER_LONG) + ffs(mask) - 1;
+ return lastpid;
+}
static int get_pid(unsigned long flags)
{
- static int next_safe = PID_MAX;
struct task_struct *p;
int pid;
- if (flags & CLONE_IDLETASK)
- return 0;
-
- spin_lock(&lastpid_lock);
if((++last_pid) & 0xffff8000) {
- last_pid = 300; /* Skip daemons etc. */
+ last_pid = RESERVED_PIDS; /* Skip daemons etc. */
goto inside;
}
if(last_pid >= next_safe) {
inside:
next_safe = PID_MAX;
read_lock(&tasklist_lock);
+ if (nr_threads > GETPID_THRESHOLD) {
+ last_pid = get_pid_by_map(last_pid);
+ if (last_pid == 0) {
+ last_pid = PID_MAX;
+ goto nomorepids;
+ }
+ } else {
+ int beginpid = last_pid;
repeat:
for_each_task(p) {
if(p->pid == last_pid ||
@@ -158,24 +244,33 @@
p->session == last_pid) {
if(++last_pid >= next_safe) {
if(last_pid & 0xffff8000)
- last_pid = 300;
+ last_pid = RESERVED_PIDS;
next_safe = PID_MAX;
}
+ if(last_pid == beginpid)
+ goto nomorepids;
goto repeat;
}
if(p->pid > last_pid && next_safe > p->pid)
next_safe = p->pid;
if(p->pgrp > last_pid && next_safe > p->pgrp)
next_safe = p->pgrp;
+ if(p->tgid > last_pid && next_safe > p->tgid)
+ next_safe = p->tgid;
if(p->session > last_pid && next_safe > p->session)
next_safe = p->session;
}
+ }
read_unlock(&tasklist_lock);
}
pid = last_pid;
- spin_unlock(&lastpid_lock);
return pid;
+
+nomorepids:
+ next_safe = last_pid = PID_MAX;
+ read_unlock(&tasklist_lock);
+ return 0;
}
static inline int dup_mmap(struct mm_struct * mm)
@@ -669,7 +764,14 @@
p->state = TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE;
copy_flags(clone_flags, p);
- p->pid = get_pid(clone_flags);
+ down(&getpid_mutex);
+ if (clone_flags & CLONE_IDLETASK)
+ p->pid = 0;
+ else {
+ p->pid = get_pid(clone_flags);
+ if (p->pid == 0)
+ goto bad_fork_cleanup;
+ }
p->proc_dentry = NULL;
INIT_LIST_HEAD(&p->run_list);
@@ -793,10 +895,20 @@
list_add(&p->thread_group, ¤t->thread_group);
}
+ /*
+ * We must do the SET_LINKS() under the getpid_mutex, to avoid
+ * another CPU to get our same PID between the release of of the
+ * getpid_mutex and the SET_LINKS().
+ *
+ * In short to avoid SMP races the new child->pid must be just visible
+ * in the tasklist by the time we drop the getpid_mutex.
+ */
SET_LINKS(p);
+
hash_pid(p);
nr_threads++;
write_unlock_irq(&tasklist_lock);
+ up(&getpid_mutex);
retval = 0;
fork_out:
@@ -819,6 +931,7 @@
bad_fork_cleanup_security:
security_ops->task_free_security(p);
bad_fork_cleanup:
+ up(&getpid_mutex);
put_exec_domain(p->thread_info->exec_domain);
if (p->binfmt && p->binfmt->module)
__MOD_DEC_USE_COUNT(p->binfmt->module);
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* Re: [PATCH] Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid()
2002-08-07 22:03 [PATCH] Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid() Paul Larson
@ 2002-08-07 23:06 ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-08 0:24 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-08-08 20:24 ` [PATCH] Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid() Linus Torvalds
0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Morton @ 2002-08-07 23:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Paul Larson; +Cc: Linus Torvalds, lkml, davej, frankeh, andrea
Paul Larson wrote:
>
> This patch provides an improved version of get_pid() while also taking
> care of the bug that causes the machine to hang when you hit PID_MAX.
Has this been evaluated against Bill Irwin's constant-time
allocator? Bill says it has slightly worse normal-case and
vastly improved worst-case performance over the stock allocator.
Not sure how it stacks up against this one. Plus it's much nicer
looking code.
He's shy, so.....
#include <linux/compiler.h>
#include <linux/bitops.h>
#include <linux/spinlock.h>
#include <linux/init.h>
/*
* pid allocator
* (C) 2002 William Irwin, IBM
*
* The strategy is to maintain a tower of bitmaps where a bitmap above
* another in each bit accounts whether any pid's are available in the
* space tracked by BITS_PER_LONG bits of the level below. The bitmaps
* must be marked on allocation and also release, hence some
* infrastructure for detecting when the last user of a pid releases it
* must be in place.
*
* This general strategy is simple in concept and enforces highly
* deterministic bounds on the search time for the next pid.
*/
#define PID_MAX 0x8000
#define RESERVED_PIDS 300
#define MAP0_SIZE (PID_MAX >> BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT)
#define MAP1_SIZE (MAP0_SIZE >> BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT)
#define MAP2_SIZE (MAP1_SIZE >> BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT)
#define MAP0_SHIFT BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT
#define MAP1_SHIFT (2*BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT)
#define MAP2_SHIFT (3*BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT)
#define PID_MAP_MASK (BITS_PER_LONG - 1)
#define PID_MAP_DEPTH (ARRAY_SIZE(pid_map) - 1)
static unsigned long pid_map0[MAP0_SIZE];
static unsigned long pid_map1[MAP1_SIZE];
static unsigned long pid_map2[MAP2_SIZE];
static unsigned long * pid_map[] = { pid_map0, pid_map1, pid_map2, NULL, };
unsigned long last_pid = 0;
unsigned long npids = 0;
static const int map_shifts[] =
{ 0,
BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT,
BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT*2,
BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT*3,
BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT*4,
};
static inline int pid_map_shift(int depth)
{
return map_shifts[depth+1];
}
static spinlock_t pid_lock = SPIN_LOCK_UNLOCKED;
void free_pid(unsigned long pid)
{
unsigned long **map = pid_map;
spin_lock(&pid_lock);
while (*map) {
int bit = pid & PID_MAP_MASK;
pid >>= BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT;
__clear_bit(bit, &(*map)[pid]);
++map;
}
--npids;
spin_unlock(&pid_lock);
}
static inline int whole_block_used(int level, unsigned long pid)
{
return pid_map[level][pid >> pid_map_shift(level)] == ~0UL;
}
static inline void mark_pid(unsigned long pid)
{
int level;
for (level = 0; level < PID_MAP_DEPTH; ++level) {
int shift, bit;
unsigned long entry;
shift = pid_map_shift(level);
entry = pid >> shift;
bit = (pid >> (shift - BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT)) & PID_MAP_MASK;
if (level == 0 || whole_block_used(level - 1, pid))
__set_bit(bit, &pid_map[level][entry]);
else
break;
}
++npids;
}
static inline int pid_map_limit(int depth)
{
return PID_MAX >> pid_map_shift(depth);
}
#ifdef PID_ALLOC_EXAMPLE
/*
* the pid allocation traverses the bitmaps by recursively ffz'ing
* through down the tower of maps. Some additional logic is required
* to enforce lower limits, but the following example of how one
* would perform this search without the lower limit may well prove
* enlightening for those interested in the mechanics of the algorithm.
*/
static long alloc_pid_from_zero(void)
{
unsigned long pid = 0;
int level;
for (level = PID_MAP_DEPTH - 1; level >= 0; --level) {
unsigned long entry = pid_map[level][pid];
if (unlikely(entry == ~0UL))
return ~0UL;
pid = (pid << BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT) + ffz(pid_map[level][pid]);
}
return pid;
}
#endif /* PID_ALLOC_EXAMPLE */
static const unsigned long pid_max_levels[] =
{ PID_MAX >> BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT,
PID_MAX >> (BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT*2),
PID_MAX >> (BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT*3),
PID_MAX >> (BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT*4),
};
static inline unsigned long pid_map_digit(int level, unsigned long limit)
{
return (limit >> pid_map_shift(level-1)) & PID_MAP_MASK;
}
/*
* Scratch space for storing the digits of the limit, all accesses
* protected by the pid_lock.
*/
static unsigned long limit_digits[4];
/*
* This is not a high-performance implementation. alloc_pid_after()
* can be made highly compact with some effort, but this is instead
* meant to be clear. As the cost of fork() is dominated by much
* more expensive operations and the cost of this is constant-bounded
* by a very low constant, the gains from manual optimization here
* are marginal.
*/
static long alloc_pid_after(unsigned long limit)
{
unsigned long pid = 0;
int level;
/*
* The limit passed to us is a strict lower limit. It is more
* convenient to work with <= constraints.
*/
++limit;
if (unlikely(limit == PID_MAX))
return ~0UL;
for (level = 0; level < PID_MAP_DEPTH; ++level) {
limit_digits[level] = limit & PID_MAP_MASK;
limit >>= BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT;
}
/*
* Now the lowest available pid number above limit is
* reconstructed by ffz'ing down the bitmap and checking
* each digit against the digits of the limit for
* dictionary ordering. If the check should fail, it's
* fixed up by using the maximum of the two digits. The
* dictionary ordering on digits also means that a
* greater significant digit found in the bitmap
* invalidates all further comparisons, which requires
* fallback to the pure recursive ffz algorithm outlined
* above in order to be handled.
*/
for (level = PID_MAP_DEPTH - 1; level >= 0; --level) {
unsigned long bit, digit;
if (unlikely(pid >= pid_max_levels[level]))
return ~0UL;
bit = ffz(pid_map[level][pid]);
digit = limit_digits[level];
if (unlikely(bit < digit))
bit = digit;
pid = (pid << BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT) + bit;
/*
* This is not an optimization; if this check
* should succeed the digit comparisons above
* are no longer valid and (pessimistically)
* incorrect first available pid's are found.
*
*/
if (likely(bit > digit)) {
--level;
goto finish_just_ffz;
}
}
out:
if (pid < PID_MAX)
return pid;
else
return ~0UL;
finish_just_ffz:
/*
* Now revert to the pure recursive ffz algorithm with
* the slight variation of not beginning at a fixed level,
* because it is no longer valid to perform comparisons
* of the digit obtained by ffz'ing the bitmap against the
* digits of the limit.
*/
while (level >= 0) {
unsigned long bit;
if (unlikely(pid >= pid_max_levels[level]))
return ~0UL;
bit = ffz(pid_map[level][pid]);
pid = (pid << BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT) + bit;
--level;
}
goto out;
}
int alloc_pid(void)
{
unsigned long pid;
spin_lock(&pid_lock);
BUG_ON(last_pid >= PID_MAX);
pid = alloc_pid_after(last_pid);
if (unlikely(pid == ~0UL)) {
pid = alloc_pid_after(RESERVED_PIDS);
if (unlikely(pid == ~0UL))
goto out;
BUG_ON(pid < RESERVED_PIDS);
} else
BUG_ON(pid <= last_pid);
last_pid = pid;
mark_pid(pid);
out:
spin_unlock(&pid_lock);
return (int)pid;
}
void __init pid_init(void)
{
mark_pid(0);
}
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* Re: [PATCH] Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid()
2002-08-07 23:06 ` Andrew Morton
@ 2002-08-08 0:24 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-08-08 19:42 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-08-09 11:22 ` Analysis for Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid(), comparing various approaches Hubertus Franke
2002-08-08 20:24 ` [PATCH] Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid() Linus Torvalds
1 sibling, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Andries Brouwer @ 2002-08-08 0:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andrew Morton; +Cc: Paul Larson, Linus Torvalds, lkml, davej, frankeh, andrea
On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 04:06:05PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Has this been evaluated against Bill Irwin's constant-time
> allocator? Bill says it has slightly worse normal-case and
> vastly improved worst-case performance over the stock allocator.
> Not sure how it stacks up against this one. Plus it's much nicer
> looking code.
> #define PID_MAX 0x8000
> #define RESERVED_PIDS 300
>
> #define MAP0_SIZE (PID_MAX >> BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT)
> #define MAP1_SIZE (MAP0_SIZE >> BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT)
> #define MAP2_SIZE (MAP1_SIZE >> BITS_PER_LONG_SHIFT)
>
> static unsigned long pid_map0[MAP0_SIZE];
> static unsigned long pid_map1[MAP1_SIZE];
> static unsigned long pid_map2[MAP2_SIZE];
Here it is of interest how large a pid is.
With a 64-bit pid_t it is just
static pid_t last_pid;
pid_t get_next_pid() {
return ++last_pid;
}
since 2^64 is a really large number.
Unfortunately glibc does not support this (on x86).
With a 32-bit pid_t wraparounds will occur, but very infrequently.
Thus, finding the next pid will be very fast on average, much faster
than the above algorithm, and no arrays are required.
One only loses the guaranteed constant time property.
Unless hard real time is required, this sounds like the best version.
Andries
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* Re: [PATCH] Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid()
2002-08-08 0:24 ` Andries Brouwer
@ 2002-08-08 19:42 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-08-08 20:47 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-08-09 11:22 ` Analysis for Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid(), comparing various approaches Hubertus Franke
1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: William Lee Irwin III @ 2002-08-08 19:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andries Brouwer
Cc: Andrew Morton, Paul Larson, Linus Torvalds, lkml, davej, frankeh, andrea
On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 02:24:19AM +0200, Andries Brouwer wrote:
> Here it is of interest how large a pid is.
> With a 64-bit pid_t it is just
> static pid_t last_pid;
> pid_t get_next_pid() {
> return ++last_pid;
> }
> since 2^64 is a really large number.
> Unfortunately glibc does not support this (on x86).
> With a 32-bit pid_t wraparounds will occur, but very infrequently.
> Thus, finding the next pid will be very fast on average, much faster
> than the above algorithm, and no arrays are required.
> One only loses the guaranteed constant time property.
> Unless hard real time is required, this sounds like the best version.
The goal of the work that produced this was to remove the global
tasklist. Changing ABI's and/or breaking userspace was not "within the
rules" of that. My allocator relies on that other infrastructure for
notification of release of pid's, and is really only meant to remove
the reliance of fork() on the tasklist. That work is probably more
relevant to heavy tty usage than forkbombs, despite the O(1) get_pid().
I am glad people happen to like various tidbits of it, though. =)
Cheers,
Bill
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* Re: [PATCH] Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid()
2002-08-07 23:06 ` Andrew Morton
2002-08-08 0:24 ` Andries Brouwer
@ 2002-08-08 20:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-08 21:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
` (2 more replies)
1 sibling, 3 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Linus Torvalds @ 2002-08-08 20:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andrew Morton; +Cc: Paul Larson, lkml, davej, frankeh, andrea
On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Andrew Morton wrote:
>
> Has this been evaluated against Bill Irwin's constant-time
> allocator? Bill says it has slightly worse normal-case and
> vastly improved worst-case performance over the stock allocator.
> Not sure how it stacks up against this one. Plus it's much nicer
> looking code.
Guys, this discussion is getting ridiculous.
Doing a bit allocator should be trivial, but it's hard to know when a bit
is to be free'd. You can't just do it at "exit()" time, because even if
pid X exits, that doesn't mean that X can be re-used: it may still be used
as a pgid or a tid by some other process Y.
So if you really want to take this approach, you need to count the uses of
"pid X", and free the bitmap entry only when that count goes to zero. I
see no such logic in Bill Irwin's code, only a comment about last use
(which doesn't explain how to notice that last use).
Without that per-pid-count thing clarified, I don't think the (otherwise
fairly straightforward) approach of Bills really flies.
For that reason I think the mark-and-sweep thing is the right thing to do,
but I think the two-level algorithm is just over-engineering and not worth
it. And I do hate that getpid_mutex thing. Having a blocking lock for
something as simple as pid allocation just smells horribly wrong to me.
Moving the pid allocation to later (so that it doesn't need to handle
operations that block in between allocation and "we're done" and the pid
allocation can be a spinlock) sounds like a fairly obvious thing to do.
I don't see why we would need the "pid" until the very last moment, at
which point we already have the tasklist lock, in fact.
And I hate overengineering.
Linus
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* Re: [PATCH] Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid()
2002-08-08 19:42 ` William Lee Irwin III
@ 2002-08-08 20:47 ` Andries Brouwer
0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Andries Brouwer @ 2002-08-08 20:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: William Lee Irwin III, Andrew Morton, Paul Larson,
Linus Torvalds, lkml, davej, frankeh, andrea
On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 12:42:38PM -0700, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
> The goal of the work that produced this was to remove the global
> tasklist. Changing ABI's and/or breaking userspace was not "within the
> rules" of that.
It feels wrong to add such complexity and simultaneously keep
such a small pid_t.
Very soon 30000 processes will not be enough.
Using a 32-bit pid_t does not break userspace. Indeed, user space uses
a 32-bit pid_t today. The only complaint I have heard was from
Albert Cahalan who maintains ps and was afraid that the ps output
would become uglier if pids would get more digits.
It is a real pity that going to a 64-bit pid is impossible (on x64).
Many algorithms can be really efficient if you have a large space
to work in. For example, I do not know what your motivation was
for wanting to remove the global tasklist. It is certainly needed
for sending signals. But if you want to avoid access to global stuff
in a MP situation, then it is easy to partition the pid space
so that each processor only gives out pids in its own region.
(So that simultaneous forks do not interfere.)
Andries
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* Re: [PATCH] Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid()
2002-08-08 20:24 ` [PATCH] Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid() Linus Torvalds
@ 2002-08-08 21:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-08-08 21:45 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-08-09 4:42 ` William Lee Irwin III
2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: H. Peter Anvin @ 2002-08-08 21:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-kernel
Followup to: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208081312330.8705-100000@home.transmeta.com>
By author: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel
>
> Guys, this discussion is getting ridiculous.
>
> Doing a bit allocator should be trivial, but it's hard to know when a bit
> is to be free'd. You can't just do it at "exit()" time, because even if
> pid X exits, that doesn't mean that X can be re-used: it may still be used
> as a pgid or a tid by some other process Y.
>
> So if you really want to take this approach, you need to count the uses of
> "pid X", and free the bitmap entry only when that count goes to zero. I
> see no such logic in Bill Irwin's code, only a comment about last use
> (which doesn't explain how to notice that last use).
>
Even so, we need to maintain Not Recently Used semantic. A discussion
on #kernel seems to have ended up with recommending a design target of
"no pid reuse within 30 seconds", with 1 second being an absolute
requirement.
-hpa
--
<hpa@transmeta.com> at work, <hpa@zytor.com> in private!
"Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot."
http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt <amsp@zytor.com>
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* Re: [PATCH] Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid()
2002-08-08 20:24 ` [PATCH] Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid() Linus Torvalds
2002-08-08 21:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
@ 2002-08-08 21:45 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-08-09 4:42 ` William Lee Irwin III
2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: William Lee Irwin III @ 2002-08-08 21:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Linus Torvalds; +Cc: Andrew Morton, Paul Larson, lkml, davej, frankeh, andrea
On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 01:24:35PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Without that per-pid-count thing clarified, I don't think the (otherwise
> fairly straightforward) approach of Bills really flies.
I implemented the rest of it, based on maintaining hashtables for the
tgid, pgid, and sid as well as the pid itself. get_pid() was not the
focus of it.
Cheers,
Bill
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* Re: [PATCH] Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid()
2002-08-08 20:24 ` [PATCH] Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid() Linus Torvalds
2002-08-08 21:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-08-08 21:45 ` William Lee Irwin III
@ 2002-08-09 4:42 ` William Lee Irwin III
2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: William Lee Irwin III @ 2002-08-09 4:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Linus Torvalds; +Cc: Andrew Morton, Paul Larson, lkml, davej, frankeh, andrea
On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 01:24:35PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> So if you really want to take this approach, you need to count the uses of
> "pid X", and free the bitmap entry only when that count goes to zero. I
> see no such logic in Bill Irwin's code, only a comment about last use
> (which doesn't explain how to notice that last use).
> Without that per-pid-count thing clarified, I don't think the (otherwise
> fairly straightforward) approach of Bills really flies.
One big thing to bear in mind is that it is actually part of a much
larger work, one which is not centered around get_pid(), and which is
not yet ready for inclusion, or even widespread review. So please give
me time to finish it, and defer judgment until it is complete.
(1) akpm did not post the full patch, only the "after" picture of one file.
(2) The per-id accounting is properly implemented, with caveats
unrelated to the general accounting method. Yes, I am well
aware of the need to be notified on release at points other
than exit(), and I have implemented that notification.
(3) The patch as it is intended to be is largely a tty and job control
cleanup. get_pid() changes are required as the central feature
is the removal of the list of all tasks, upon which the current
get_pid() relies.
(4) pid hashing actually creates idtag objects for something guaranteed
to be unique. This is so stupid I consider it a bug.
(5) The patch is not yet finished.
Please defer judgment until I am ready to present as a finished work what
is now a work in progress and barely if even out of the "debug" phase.
The last fully-ported version of the patch, which was originally put
on-line only to facilitate communication with reviewers and
contributors, prior to the initial release (and by a very large margin)
is available from the following URL:
ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/wli/task_mgmt/for_each_task-2.5.23-1
This patch does not contain a complete implementation of what I would
like to present when I feel ready to submit it.
While I thought I came up with something "nifty" in the way of a
get_pid() as a result of this work, its primary focus is really to
clean up tty and job control code. As it stands now, it does very
little in the way of cleaning it up, only converting it to use the new
infrastructure as a replacement for for_each_task() in the most
straightforward and braindead ways imaginable. Several bugs are known
to exist, but the full patch with all fixes has not yet been ported to
current mainline, and I won't have time to devote to it for some time.
This patch needs much further work, and that work is not yet finished.
Please defer judgment until I can actually finish it. This will
probably have to wait until 2.7 or even later.
Thanks,
Bill
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* Analysis for Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid(), comparing various approaches
2002-08-08 0:24 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-08-08 19:42 ` William Lee Irwin III
@ 2002-08-09 11:22 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-09 15:36 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-08-09 16:05 ` Linus Torvalds
1 sibling, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Hubertus Franke @ 2002-08-09 11:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Linus Torvalds, Andrew Morton, Andries Brouwer
Cc: Paul Larson, lkml, andrea, gh
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Folks, below is the analysis that I promised yesterday.
Attached is also the harness program that brings this into userspace and
computes basic overhead for pid allocation in a random setting.
The tar file contains the following stuff and represents the
status last time I gave this consideration. I had posted it to
lkml but other than from Andrea I had not received any feedback
and dropped the issue.
total 52
4 -rw-rw-r-- 1 frankeh frankeh 141 Mar 28 11:25 Makefile
12 -rw-rw-r-- 1 frankeh frankeh 8306 Mar 22 16:59 res-2
16 -rw-rw-r-- 1 frankeh frankeh 13268 Mar 20 10:11 getpid1.c
16 -rw-rw-r-- 1 frankeh frankeh 15124 Mar 14 18:19 res-1
4 -rwxrw-r-- 1 frankeh frankeh 316 Mar 13 12:01 bm
getpid1 is the harness. bm is the batch driver.
res-1 and res-2 are two result files that each were mangled together from
the outputs of <bm> executed on different machines.
I attach res-1 here , which I posted earlier in March, so you can read through
it and draw your own conclusions with respect on where we should go with
this.
It might be worthwile to independenly redo the test and also include
Andrea's <getpid> there, allthough it resembles <algo-1>.
Volunteers ?
Note that based on the results I got, I still favor a version of the
mark and sweep that continues to go forward to find the next range
rather than always start from the beginning again.
I am not really sure whether Bill's version can be easily integrated.
The second part of the message (res-1) also experiments with a partial
maximum safe pid-range, i.e., once a range of 256 free pids has been
established we stop the mark and sweep. That looks very competitive
as well. I gives too simple improvements
(a) bitmask can be located on the stack
(b) we could potentially deal with 32-bit pid numbers as we can limit
the bitmask to partial space of the pid range.
-- Hubertus
----------------<previous post>-----------------------------------------------
I implemented an alternative version of getpid, that for large thread counts
( > 210000), provides "significantly" better performance as shown in attached
performance analysis. This is particulary viable for PID_MAX=32768.
-- Hubertus Franke <frankeh@watson.ibm.com>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Currently the getpid algorithm works as follows:
At any given time an interval of [ last_pid .. next_safe ) is known to hold
unused pids. Initially the interval is set to [0 .. 32767]
Hence to allocate a new pid the following is sufficient:
if (++last_pid < next_safe) return last_pid;
However, if we move out of the safe interval, the next safe interval needs
to be established first.
This is currently done by a repetive search
repeat:
foralltasks(p) {
if (p uses lastpid) { last_pid++; goto repeat; }
/* narrow [ last_pid .. next_safe ) */
if (p->pids in [ last_pid .. next_safe ) ) next_safe = p->pid
}
Particulary for large number of tasks, this can lead to frequent exercise of
the repeat resulting in a O(N^2) algorithm. We call this : <algo-0>.
Instead I have provided an alternative mechanism that at the time
of determining the next interval marks a bitmask by walking the tasklist
once [ O(N) ] and then finding the proper bit offsets to mark the next free
interval starting from last_pid. The bitmap requires 4096 bytes.
This is <algo-1>.
An optimization to this to keep the last bitmap instead of clearing it
with every search. Only if we fail to obtain a free range, then we have
to go back and clear the bitmap and redo the search one more time.
This is <algo-2>.
I dragged the various algorithms into a userlevel test program to figure
out where the cut off points are with PID_MAX=32768. In this testprogram
I maintain A tasks, and for 10 rounds (delete D random tasks and
reallocate D tasks again) resulting in T=10*D total measured allocations.
Si states how many interval searches where needed for algo-i.
Gi states the average overhead per get_pid for algo-i in usecs.
Based on that one should use the current algorithm until ~ 22K tasks and
beyond that use algo-2. Only the last 15 tasks are a bit faster under algo-1.
We can safely ignore that case.
Based on that providing an adaptive implementation seems the right choice.
The patch for 2.5.7-pre1 is attached.
executed program example: getpid -c 2 -s 10 -e 100 -d 10 -t <0,1>
0 is old 1 is new algo 2.
A D T | S0 G0 | S1 G1 | S2 G2
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
10 10 80 | 1 0.34 | 1 0.59 | 1 0.81
20 10 100 | 1 0.30 | 1 0.49 | 1 0.64
30 10 100 | 1 0.29 | 1 0.55 | 1 0.65
40 10 100 | 1 0.35 | 1 0.51 | 1 0.65
50 10 100 | 1 0.35 | 1 0.54 | 1 0.67
60 10 100 | 2 0.38 | 21 1.95 | 2 0.79
70 10 100 | 1 0.39 | 1 0.59 | 1 0.76
80 10 100 | 1 0.41 | 1 0.62 | 1 0.76
100 50 500 | 2 0.22 | 63 1.26 | 2 0.30
150 50 500 | 3 0.24 | 12 0.56 | 4 0.36
200 50 500 | 3 0.27 | 56 2.26 | 5 0.46
250 50 500 | 2 0.26 | 119 5.63 | 6 0.54
300 50 500 | 3 0.32 | 148 8.73 | 9 0.76
350 50 500 | 5 0.45 | 168 11.51 | 6 0.76
400 50 500 | 4 0.44 | 90 7.28 | 10 1.10
450 50 500 | 6 0.61 | 143 13.08 | 7 0.97
500 50 500 | 6 0.65 | 100 10.47 | 7 1.06
550 50 500 | 5 0.63 | 71 8.10 | 9 1.34
600 50 500 | 7 0.86 | 115 14.32 | 14 2.04
650 50 500 | 8 1.00 | 112 15.08 | 13 2.07
700 50 500 | 8 1.06 | 127 18.12 | 10 1.79
750 50 500 | 8 1.26 | 62 9.73 | 15 2.73
800 50 500 | 11 1.68 | 92 15.14 | 12 2.42
850 50 500 | 14 2.03 | 78 13.73 | 13 2.67
900 50 500 | 21 3.17 | 102 18.74 | 27 5.18
1000 1000 9980 | 1 0.18 | 4 0.19 | 1 0.18
2000 1000 10000 | 76 1.22 | 3604 53.03 | 322 4.81
3000 1000 10000 | 161 3.84 | 4502 112.24 | 606 15.49
4000 1000 10000 | 359 11.17 | 4912 183.37 | 901 33.76
5000 1000 10000 | 539 23.33 | 4949 257.35 | 1165 59.91
6000 1000 10000 | 724 43.42 | 4918 349.59 | 1498 104.36
7000 1000 10000 | 1026 85.38 | 4886 447.58 | 1835 165.08
8000 1000 10000 | 1228 126.45 | 4870 565.29 | 2084 234.73
9000 1000 10000 | 1516 193.62 | 4826 699.85 | 2489 354.27
10000 1000 10000 | 1818 289.32 | 4910 843.32 | 2763 472.47
11000 1000 10000 | 2093 389.33 | 5005 1023.08 | 3095 629.70
12000 1000 10000 | 2305 506.23 | 5095 1194.71 | 3277 773.06
13000 1000 10000 | 2680 683.66 | 5289 1424.81 | 3711 1003.67
14000 1000 10000 | 2959 853.10 | 5358 1602.05 | 3878 1172.70
15000 1000 10000 | 3167 1037.79 | 5539 1835.64 | 4301 1436.40
16000 1000 10000 | 3466 1272.80 | 5669 2087.03 | 4485 1635.48
17000 1000 10000 | 3743 1539.06 | 5932 2338.50 | 4844 1924.27
18000 1000 10000 | 4069 1869.63 | 6097 2613.60 | 5218 2232.52
19000 1000 10000 | 4293 2183.98 | 6242 2866.34 | 5501 2519.60
20000 1000 10000 | 4616 2607.10 | 6508 3175.90 | 5770 2823.98
21000 1000 10000 | 4974 3119.34 | 6700 3460.95 | 6161 3183.73
22000 1000 10000 | 5177 3609.28 | 6944 3788.19 | 6389 3492.97 =
23000 1000 10000 | 5483 4214.03 | 7183 4136.25 | 6665 3823.38
24000 1000 10000 | 5838 4971.60 | 7404 4460.62 | 6982 4199.61
25000 1000 10000 | 6183 5880.92 | 7736 4891.80 | 7209 4546.18
26000 1000 10000 | 6413 6829.07 | 7890 5210.85 | 7533 4939.12
27000 1000 10000 | 6748 8132.96 | 8148 5598.19 | 7959 5442.25
28000 1000 10000 | 7139 10065.52 | 8445 6047.42 | 8140 5767.13
29000 1000 10000 | 7638 12967.20 | 8736 6475.23 | 8501 6250.86
30000 1000 10000 | 8178 16991.05 | 8994 6907.40 | 8911 6791.97
32000 50 500 | 482 26446.69 | 488 7405.63 | 487 7494.39
32050 50 500 | 488 34769.89 | 488 7463.11 | 486 7541.61
32100 50 500 | 489 44564.86 | 493 7593.99 | 486 7589.02
32150 50 500 | 486 58150.58 | 487 7549.96 | 492 7731.18
32200 50 500 | 490 64875.38 | 495 7721.82 | 497 7854.59
32250 50 500 | 491 81790.21 | 491 7697.57 | 490 7795.12
32300 50 500 | 489 88975.62 | 493 7763.04 | 495 7909.77
32350 50 500 | 489 115797.38 | 492 7782.34 | 495 7967.86
32400 50 500 | 490 120958.50 | 497 7898.45 | 496 8018.98
32450 50 500 | 492 147541.84 | 493 7874.27 | 492 7982.34
32500 50 500 | 493 175498.39 | 495 7940.18 | 495 8060.97
32550 50 500 | 492 207229.29 | 496 7973.88 | 498 8134.02
32600 50 500 | 495 267057.05 | 498 8028.86 | 498 8171.97
32650 50 500 | 492 375722.28 | 500 8088.30 | 498 8213.85
32700 50 500 | 497 528321.07 | 500 8110.51 | 499 8267.67
32751 1 10 | 10 259785.80 | 10 7851.50 | 10 8549.30
32752 1 10 | 10 1121285.60 | 10 7846.30 | 10 8556.10
32753 1 10 | 10 383729.50 | 10 7848.60 | 10 8562.20
32754 1 10 | 10 1061467.50 | 10 7849.80 | 10 8564.40
32755 1 10 | 10 612726.50 | 10 7853.00 | 10 8553.90
32756 1 10 | 10 1725559.90 | 10 7851.90 | 10 8553.00
32757 1 10 | 10 1679818.50 | 10 7847.80 | 10 8552.10
32758 1 10 | 10 2991838.60 | 10 7865.70 | 10 8557.20
32759 1 10 | 10 883388.90 | 10 7859.40 | 10 8562.00
32760 1 10 | 10 4830405.90 | 10 7850.50 | 10 9336.60
32761 1 10 | 10 7105809.20 | 10 7863.90 | 10 9337.20
32762 1 10 | 10 7919703.40 | 10 7867.10 | 10 9340.70
32763 1 10 | 10 1537522.50 | 10 7869.40 | 10 9340.70
32764 1 10 | 10 6173019.20 | 10 7866.60 | 10 9340.00
32765 1 10 | 10 8104105.00 | 10 7876.20 | 10 10112.80
32766 1 10 | 10 16145415.40 | 10 7880.80 | 10 10893.50
32767 1 10 | 10 16135267.10 | 10 7878.60 | 10 11674.40
Other variants are possible, for instance if 4096 bytes is too much
(hell I don't know how that could be), one can break it up into smaller
search chunks (e.g. 256 bytes).
Another alternative is to allocate the page on the first occasion of
getting into get_pid_my_map....
In the following I give a comparative result between algo-2 and
algo-2 with a max interval size of 256. The times are very comparative.
Also the search count values are identical, but in 2 cases suggesting
that a interval size particular for large thread counts of 256 is certainly
sufficient, but it brings some small overhead. Question to answer is
wether setting aside an extra page is such a crime.....
A D T | S2 G2 | S2-256 G2-256
-------------------------------------------------------
10 10 80 | 1 0.81 | 1 0.84
20 10 100 | 1 0.64 | 1 0.67
30 10 100 | 1 0.65 | 1 0.68
40 10 100 | 1 0.65 | 1 0.69
50 10 100 | 1 0.67 | 1 0.71
60 10 100 | 2 0.79 | 2 0.82
70 10 100 | 1 0.76 | 1 0.76
80 10 100 | 1 0.76 | 1 0.79
100 50 500 | 2 0.30 | 2 0.31
150 50 500 | 4 0.36 | 5 0.39 <=
200 50 500 | 5 0.46 | 5 0.46
250 50 500 | 6 0.54 | 6 0.55
300 50 500 | 9 0.76 | 9 0.76
350 50 500 | 6 0.76 | 6 0.75
400 50 500 | 10 1.10 | 10 1.10
450 50 500 | 7 0.97 | 7 0.97
500 50 500 | 7 1.06 | 7 1.06
550 50 500 | 9 1.34 | 9 1.35
600 50 500 | 14 2.04 | 14 2.06
650 50 500 | 13 2.07 | 13 2.09
700 50 500 | 10 1.79 | 10 1.82
750 50 500 | 15 2.73 | 15 2.69
800 50 500 | 12 2.42 | 12 2.38
850 50 500 | 13 2.67 | 13 2.66
900 50 500 | 27 5.18 | 27 5.25
1000 1000 9980 | 1 0.18 | 3 0.19 <=
2000 1000 10000 | 322 4.81 | 322 4.84
3000 1000 10000 | 606 15.49 | 606 15.55
4000 1000 10000 | 901 33.76 | 901 34.42
5000 1000 10000 | 1165 59.91 | 1165 62.35
6000 1000 10000 | 1498 104.36 | 1498 105.55
7000 1000 10000 | 1835 165.08 | 1835 174.82
8000 1000 10000 | 2084 234.73 | 2084 244.18
9000 1000 10000 | 2489 354.27 | 2489 372.11
10000 1000 10000 | 2763 472.47 | 2763 486.73
11000 1000 10000 | 3095 629.70 | 3095 648.31
12000 1000 10000 | 3277 773.06 | 3277 784.75
13000 1000 10000 | 3711 1003.67 | 3711 1006.94
14000 1000 10000 | 3878 1172.70 | 3878 1168.71
15000 1000 10000 | 4301 1436.40 | 4301 1429.89
16000 1000 10000 | 4485 1635.48 | 4485 1620.90
17000 1000 10000 | 4844 1924.27 | 4844 1904.92
18000 1000 10000 | 5218 2232.52 | 5218 2218.80
19000 1000 10000 | 5501 2519.60 | 5501 2508.83
20000 1000 10000 | 5770 2823.98 | 5770 2895.66
21000 1000 10000 | 6161 3183.73 | 6161 3307.54
22000 1000 10000 | 6389 3492.97 | 6389 3620.53
23000 1000 10000 | 6665 3823.38 | 6665 3995.63
24000 1000 10000 | 6982 4199.61 | 6982 4347.95
25000 1000 10000 | 7209 4546.18 | 7209 4701.95
26000 1000 10000 | 7533 4939.12 | 7533 5088.13
27000 1000 10000 | 7959 5442.25 | 7959 5599.85
28000 1000 10000 | 8140 5767.13 | 8140 5817.86
29000 1000 10000 | 8501 6250.86 | 8501 6250.30
30000 1000 10000 | 8911 6791.97 | 8911 6788.51
32000 50 500 | 487 7494.39 | 487 7493.47
32050 50 500 | 486 7541.61 | 486 7541.05
32100 50 500 | 486 7589.02 | 486 7586.12
32150 50 500 | 492 7731.18 | 492 7728.76
32200 50 500 | 497 7854.59 | 497 7854.94
32250 50 500 | 490 7795.12 | 490 7783.10
32300 50 500 | 495 7909.77 | 495 7902.70
32350 50 500 | 495 7967.86 | 495 7946.20
32400 50 500 | 496 8018.98 | 496 7999.34
32450 50 500 | 492 7982.34 | 492 7962.93
32500 50 500 | 495 8060.97 | 495 8048.18
32550 50 500 | 498 8134.02 | 498 8122.08
32600 50 500 | 498 8171.97 | 498 8169.34
32650 50 500 | 498 8213.85 | 498 8209.95
32700 50 500 | 499 8267.67 | 499 8266.13
32751 1 10 | 10 8549.30 | 10 8629.00
32752 1 10 | 10 8556.10 | 10 8636.30
32753 1 10 | 10 8562.20 | 10 8632.00
32754 1 10 | 10 8564.40 | 10 8633.40
32755 1 10 | 10 8553.90 | 10 8635.40
32756 1 10 | 10 8553.00 | 10 8637.60
32757 1 10 | 10 8552.10 | 10 8640.90
32758 1 10 | 10 8557.20 | 10 8644.90
32759 1 10 | 10 8562.00 | 10 8644.10
32760 1 10 | 10 9336.60 | 10 9436.10
32761 1 10 | 10 9337.20 | 10 9435.60
32762 1 10 | 10 9340.70 | 10 9439.10
32763 1 10 | 10 9340.70 | 10 9433.60
32764 1 10 | 10 9340.00 | 10 9440.60
32765 1 10 | 10 10112.80 | 10 10228.40
32766 1 10 | 10 10893.50 | 10 11023.50
32767 1 10 | 10 11674.40 | 10 11813.70
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* Re: Analysis for Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid(), comparing various approaches
2002-08-09 11:22 ` Analysis for Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid(), comparing various approaches Hubertus Franke
@ 2002-08-09 15:36 ` Andries Brouwer
2002-08-09 18:14 ` Hubertus Franke
2002-08-09 16:05 ` Linus Torvalds
1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Andries Brouwer @ 2002-08-09 15:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Hubertus Franke
Cc: Linus Torvalds, Andrew Morton, Paul Larson, lkml, andrea, gh
On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 07:22:08AM -0400, Hubertus Franke wrote:
> Particulary for large number of tasks, this can lead to frequent exercise of
> the repeat resulting in a O(N^2) algorithm. We call this : <algo-0>.
Your math is flawed. The O(N^2) happens only when the name space for pid's
has the same order of magnitude as the number N of processes.
Now consider N=100000 with 31-bit name space. In a series of
2.10^9 forks you have to do the loop fewer than N times and
N^2 / 2.10^9 = 5. You see that on average for each fork there
are 5 comparisons.
For N=1000000 you rearrange the task list as I described yesterday
so that each loop takes time sqrt(N), and altogether N.sqrt(N)
comparisons are needed in a series of 2.10^9 forks.
That is 0.5 comparisons per fork.
You see that thanks to the large pid space things get really
efficient. Ugly constructions are only needed when a large fraction
of all possible pids is actually in use, or when you need hard
real time guarantees.
Andries
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* Re: Analysis for Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid(), comparing various approaches
2002-08-09 11:22 ` Analysis for Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid(), comparing various approaches Hubertus Franke
2002-08-09 15:36 ` Andries Brouwer
@ 2002-08-09 16:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-09 18:18 ` Hubertus Franke
1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Linus Torvalds @ 2002-08-09 16:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Hubertus Franke
Cc: Andrew Morton, Andries Brouwer, Paul Larson, lkml, andrea, gh
On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Hubertus Franke wrote:
>
> I dragged the various algorithms into a userlevel test program to figure
> out where the cut off points are with PID_MAX=32768. In this testprogram
> I maintain A tasks, and for 10 rounds (delete D random tasks and
> reallocate D tasks again) resulting in T=10*D total measured allocations.
Mind re-doing that with PID_MAX=999999 or similar? The whole point of the
current simple algorithm is that the common case (nay, done right, the
_only_ case) is where the number of threads << PID_MAX.
That certainly used to be true with PID_MAX=32768 (not many people may
realize it, but in 1991 the maximum number of tasks in the system was
limited to 63, simply because of how the VM carved out the 4GB address
space).
Things have changed, but considering that some people think that 32k
threads are a limitation already, and that the current code should work
fine (and be pretty much optimal) with a larger PID_MAX, I really think
it's unfair to not even benchmark that case..
Linus
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* Re: Analysis for Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid(), comparing various approaches
2002-08-09 15:36 ` Andries Brouwer
@ 2002-08-09 18:14 ` Hubertus Franke
0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Hubertus Franke @ 2002-08-09 18:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andries Brouwer
Cc: Linus Torvalds, Andrew Morton, Paul Larson, lkml, andrea, gh
On Friday 09 August 2002 11:36 am, Andries Brouwer wrote:
!!!!!!!!!!! You are in a different space !!!!!!!!
All work was done under the assumption of 16-bit pid_t.
I stated yesterday already that for NumTasks substantially smaller
than the pid_t supported size, this won't be a problem
as your analysis states and my data also states.
You have two choices
(a) move Linux up to 32-bit pid_t
(b) stick within the current 16-bit discussion.
> On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 07:22:08AM -0400, Hubertus Franke wrote:
> > Particulary for large number of tasks, this can lead to frequent exercise
> > of the repeat resulting in a O(N^2) algorithm. We call this : <algo-0>.
>
> Your math is flawed. The O(N^2) happens only when the name space for pid's
> has the same order of magnitude as the number N of processes.
> Now consider N=100000 with 31-bit name space. In a series of
> 2.10^9 forks you have to do the loop fewer than N times and
> N^2 / 2.10^9 = 5. You see that on average for each fork there
> are 5 comparisons.
> For N=1000000 you rearrange the task list as I described yesterday
> so that each loop takes time sqrt(N), and altogether N.sqrt(N)
> comparisons are needed in a series of 2.10^9 forks.
> That is 0.5 comparisons per fork.
>
> You see that thanks to the large pid space things get really
> efficient. Ugly constructions are only needed when a large fraction
> of all possible pids is actually in use, or when you need hard
> real time guarantees.
>
> Andries
--
-- Hubertus Franke (frankeh@watson.ibm.com)
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* Re: Analysis for Linux-2.5 fix/improve get_pid(), comparing various approaches
2002-08-09 16:05 ` Linus Torvalds
@ 2002-08-09 18:18 ` Hubertus Franke
0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Hubertus Franke @ 2002-08-09 18:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Linus Torvalds
Cc: Andrew Morton, Andries Brouwer, Paul Larson, lkml, andrea, gh
On Friday 09 August 2002 12:05 pm, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Hubertus Franke wrote:
> > I dragged the various algorithms into a userlevel test program to figure
> > out where the cut off points are with PID_MAX=32768. In this testprogram
> > I maintain A tasks, and for 10 rounds (delete D random tasks and
> > reallocate D tasks again) resulting in T=10*D total measured allocations.
>
> Mind re-doing that with PID_MAX=999999 or similar? The whole point of the
> current simple algorithm is that the common case (nay, done right, the
> _only_ case) is where the number of threads << PID_MAX.
>
Don't have time right now...
Simply look at the numbers for the ratio you are expected.
I would be very surprise if the relative curves would change
when moving to 132K tasks and also populate the pid space only by
let's say 25%.
Otherwise, Paul can you run this....
> That certainly used to be true with PID_MAX=32768 (not many people may
> realize it, but in 1991 the maximum number of tasks in the system was
> limited to 63, simply because of how the VM carved out the 4GB address
> space).
>
> Things have changed, but considering that some people think that 32k
> threads are a limitation already, and that the current code should work
> fine (and be pretty much optimal) with a larger PID_MAX, I really think
> it's unfair to not even benchmark that case..
>
> Linus
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-- Hubertus Franke (frankeh@watson.ibm.com)
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