RE:Re: New BK License Problem?

RE:Re: New BK License Problem?

[Hell.Surfers]

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Whats the point of switching licences, YOU CAN make money from support, Mandrake makes a mint.

Cheers, Dean.

On 	Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:24:00 -0400 (EDT) 	Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org> wrote:

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From: Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>, Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>, Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: New BK License Problem?
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:24:00 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210071616120.913-100000@xanadu.home>

On 7 Oct 2002, Alan Cox wrote:

> On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 20:06, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> > If BK migrates to proprietary format everybody will notice and you'll still
> > have the opportunity to rescue a not too old repository and carry on with
> > life using whatever alternate SCM you wish.  If such a thing happened Lary
> > would be publicly and universally discredited and he's not looking for that
> > I'm sure.
> 
> If BK migrates to a proprietary format the code won't be in the
> preferred form of the work for making modifications.

Because you think BK will still have the backing of all kernel developers
using it today if that happens?  Some might find BK's nice to use despite its
license, but locking the main kernel repository into a proprietary format is
totally unacceptable for most if not all of them I'm sure.  That's why Larry
won't go that route or he'll lose the Linux kernel user base right away.


Nicolas

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RE:Re: New BK License Problem?

[Rik van Riel]

On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 Hell.Surfers@cwctv.net wrote:

> Whats the point of switching licences, YOU CAN make money from support,
> Mandrake makes a mint.

If they can, surely you can, too?  And surely the subversion people
would be swimming in money now, from all the support contracts they've
been doing.  Also look at those huge profits being made by all those
open source companies.

Hint:  if the support model worked for source control software,
surely somebody would have gotten rich off it already ?

regards,

Rik
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Re: Re: New BK License Problem?

[Roberto Peon]

On Monday 07 October 2002 02:19 pm, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 Hell.Surfers@cwctv.net wrote:
> > Whats the point of switching licences, YOU CAN make money from support,
> > Mandrake makes a mint.
>
> If they can, surely you can, too?  And surely the subversion people
> would be swimming in money now, from all the support contracts they've
> been doing.  Also look at those huge profits being made by all those
> open source companies.

Good point, however:

> Hint:  if the support model worked for source control software,
> surely somebody would have gotten rich off it already ?

Eh? huh?

Good thing Linus was attached to the "Its amazing what you can do when you 
don't know you can't do it" philosophy instead of the "If it could have been 
done, it would have been done" POS philosophy.

e.g:
I find a 100$ note on the ground. I don't pick it up since: If it existed, 
someone would have already picked it up.

-Roberto JP
robertopeon@sportvision.com

Re: Re: New BK License Problem?

[Rik van Riel]

On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Roberto Peon wrote:

> Good thing Linus was attached to the "Its amazing what you can do when
> you don't know you can't do it" philosophy instead of the "If it could
> have been done, it would have been done" POS philosophy.

It all depends on how much risk you want to take and how
much you have to lose.

If all you can lose is some of your own time and energy
there's nothing wrong with attempting something where
everybody else has failed over the last 15 years.

On the other hand, I wouldn't take that risk if I were
running a business and had to make money to live...

regards,

Rik
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Re: Re: New BK License Problem?

[Roberto Peon]

On Tuesday 08 October 2002 11:32 am, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Roberto Peon wrote:
> > Good thing Linus was attached to the "Its amazing what you can do when
> > you don't know you can't do it" philosophy instead of the "If it could
> > have been done, it would have been done" POS philosophy.
>
> It all depends on how much risk you want to take and how
> much you have to lose.
>
> If all you can lose is some of your own time and energy
> there's nothing wrong with attempting something where
> everybody else has failed over the last 15 years.
>
> On the other hand, I wouldn't take that risk if I were
> running a business and had to make money to live...

I agree with this. The only thing I was disagreed with was your statement 
which basically came down to:
If it could have been done, it would have been done.

Hell, the risks of starting up an open-source/service based company *are* 
high, which is precisely why I won't try to start one up anytime in the 
immediate future.

-Roberto JP
robertopeon@sportvision.com

Re: Re: New BK License Problem?

[Roberto Peon]

"I was disagreed with"?
should have been:
"I disagreed with"

Seems I should proofread a bit more, hmm?

-Roberto JP
robertopeon@sportvision.com

RE= New BK License Problem?

[Hell.Surfers]

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doesnt stop them from flogging boxed copies...

Cheers, Dean.

On 	Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:32:06 -0300 (BRT) Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br> wrote:

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From: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
To: Roberto Peon <robertopeon@sportvision.com>
Cc: Hell.Surfers@cwctv.net, <nico@cam.org>, <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, <pavel@suse.cz>, <drepper@redhat.com>, <lm@bitmover.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Re: New BK License Problem?
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:32:06 -0300 (BRT)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L.0210081530220.1648-100000@duckman.distro.conectiva>

On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Roberto Peon wrote:

> Good thing Linus was attached to the "Its amazing what you can do when
> you don't know you can't do it" philosophy instead of the "If it could
> have been done, it would have been done" POS philosophy.

It all depends on how much risk you want to take and how
much you have to lose.

If all you can lose is some of your own time and energy
there's nothing wrong with attempting something where
everybody else has failed over the last 15 years.

On the other hand, I wouldn't take that risk if I were
running a business and had to make money to live...

regards,

Rik
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