Re: [PATCH 2.5.73] Signal stack fixes #1 introduce PF_SS_ACTIVE

["Jörn Engel" <joern@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>]

On Sun, 6 July 2003 18:47:50 +1000, Paul Mackerras wrote:
> 
> You can get the same effect by doing kill(0, SIGINT) inside a handler
> for SIGINT.  All you seem to be saying is "if you behave stupidly then
> bad things happen to you".  I don't see that this example exposes any
> bug or vulnerability in the kernel.

Maybe we are just working under different assumptions, so let me
explain my background a little.

Two of the reasons, why open source works well, are frequent releases
and lots of feedback.  In the embedded world, a typical number of
releases is one and a typical amount of feedback is none.  So you
either create a perfect product or you arrange for feedback yourself.

Without any user interaction tools around, the best feedback you can
get is a core dump plus maybe some information from /proc.  Remember
the borken patch for ppc I sent to you?  We didn't get a core dump and
people were quite unhappy, so the investigation began.

In the course of the investigation, I found another spot, where we
didn't get a core dump, which started this whole thread.  Guess what,
people aren't happy either.  One workaround would be to never use the
signal stack, but if this can be fixed properly, I would see more
happy faces at work.  And I like happy faces.

> You had to go to some trouble to get this effect - you had to use an
> asm statement to change the stack pointer, which is well and truly
> into "undefined behaviour" territory, and so you deserve all you
> get. :)  It's a very contrived example IMHO.

There is an open source web server that, combined with a closed source
library, fscks up your stack pointer.  I don't know how they did it
and I don't even care.  What I do care about is that it happened, that
it can happen again any time, and that we handle this problem as
gracefully as possible.  A core dump is graceful, a do_exit(SIGSEGV),
as it was in the ppc code is not, and an inifite loop is anything but
graceful.

I agree that my initial patch can cause other problems, but the
problem itself should still get fixed.

Jörn

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More computing sins are committed in the name of efficiency (without
necessarily achieving it) than for any other single reason - including
blind stupidity.
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