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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: "Richard B. Johnson" <root@chaos.analogic.com>
Cc: Timo Sirainen <tss@iki.fi>,
	Martin Konold <martin.konold@erfrakon.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Lockless file reading
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:03:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030828000321.GC3759@mail.jlokier.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0308270925550.278@chaos>

Richard B. Johnson wrote:
> Let's see if it is possible for the middle byte of
> a 3-byte sequence to not be written when both
> other bytes are written:

> Even in machines that do load/store operations where individual
> components of those stores happen in groups, access to/from
> a buffer of such data is controlled (by hardware) so a write
> will complete before a read occurs.

I don't understand what you mean by this.

Do you mean that the writes are forced to appear on a different CPU in
the same order that they were written?  That isn't true on x86, for
two reasons: 1. writes aren't always in processor order (see
CONFIG_X86_OOSTORE and CONFIG_X86_PPRO_FENCE); 2. reads on the other
processor are out of order anyway.

> With hardware that can perform byte-access (ix86), the only
> byte-access that is going to happen is at the end(s) of buffers.

Not true.  Take a look at __copy_user() in arch/i386/lib/usercopy.c.
The first few bytes are copied using "rep;movsb", which is not
guaranteed to use a word write for the aligned pair, nor is it
guaranteed a particular timing (there could be an interrupt between
each byte).

Other architectures are similar.

-- Jamie

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-08-28  0:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-08-27 12:37 Timo Sirainen
2003-08-27 12:42 ` Martin Konold
2003-08-27 12:52   ` Timo Sirainen
2003-08-27 13:40     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-08-27 14:56       ` Timo Sirainen
2003-08-27 23:39         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-28  0:52           ` Timo Sirainen
2003-08-27 18:42             ` Nagendra Singh Tomar
2003-08-28  8:40               ` Timo Sirainen
2003-08-27 21:15                 ` Nagendra Singh Tomar
2003-08-28  9:35                   ` Timo Sirainen
2003-08-27 21:52                     ` Nagendra Singh Tomar
2003-08-28 13:26                       ` Matthias Andree
2003-08-28  9:17                 ` David Schwartz
2003-08-28  8:42               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-08-28 20:13                 ` David B. Stevens
2003-08-28  1:50             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-28  3:17               ` Timo Sirainen
2003-08-28  6:01                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-08-28  6:13                 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-28  8:57                   ` Timo Sirainen
2003-08-28  9:56                     ` David Schwartz
2003-08-28 10:26                       ` Timo Sirainen
2003-08-27 22:58                         ` Nagendra Singh Tomar
2003-08-28 12:18                           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-28  0:39                             ` Nagendra Singh Tomar
2003-08-28 13:00                               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-28  1:06                                 ` Nagendra Singh Tomar
2003-08-28 21:49                             ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-08-28 12:01                         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-28 13:28                           ` Timo Sirainen
2003-08-28 20:24                         ` David Schwartz
2003-08-28 12:44                       ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2003-08-28 13:03                         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-28 17:26                           ` root
2003-08-28 17:35                             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-28 18:10                               ` root
2003-08-28 21:59                             ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-08-28 23:02                               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-28 23:44                               ` Lockless file readingu root
2003-08-29 10:00                                 ` jlnance
2003-08-29 11:55                                   ` David Schwartz
2003-08-29 15:43                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-08-28 20:37                         ` Lockless file reading David Schwartz
2003-08-28 22:11                           ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-08-28 23:00                             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-29  0:47                             ` David Schwartz
2003-08-28  9:13                 ` Martin Konold
2003-08-28  9:27                   ` Timo Sirainen
2003-08-28  9:48                     ` Martin Konold
2003-08-28  0:03       ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2003-08-28 12:08         ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-08-28 12:39           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-28 10:08   ` Matthias Andree
2003-08-28 10:54 ` Robin Rosenberg
2003-08-28 12:42   ` Jamie Lokier

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