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From: "David Schwartz" <davids@webmaster.com>
To: "Timo Sirainen" <tss@iki.fi>, "Jamie Lokier" <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: Lockless file reading
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 02:56:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <MDEHLPKNGKAHNMBLJOLKEEJEFLAA.davids@webmaster.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1062061038.1459.240.camel@hurina>


> On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 09:13, Jamie Lokier wrote:

> > Timo Sirainen wrote:
> > > I'm sure someone has figured out a way to make a checksum of
> > > data that
> > > can detect if there's even a single bit wrong, if the checksum is
> > > allowed to take as much space as the data itself. I should read more
> > > about algorithms..
> >
> > You said that MD5 wasn't strong enough, and you would like a guarantee.

> Yes. I don't really like it if my program heavily relies on something
> that can go wrong in some situations.

	Okay, this is too much. Your alternative, assuming the kernel won't
re-order writes, is clearly relying on something that can go wrong. MD5
would be orders of magnitude more reliable.

	No two data sets with the same MD5 hash are known. It will be many, many
years before anyone finds two data sets of the same size with the same MD5
hash. The odds of having two data sets just happen to have the same MD5 has
are  infinitesimal.

	If you compared the MD5 hashes of random data sets 1,000,000 times a second
for a million years, your odds of getting a single false match on any one of
those comparisons are less than one in a quadrillion.

	DS



  reply	other threads:[~2003-08-28 10:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-08-27 12:37 Timo Sirainen
2003-08-27 12:42 ` Martin Konold
2003-08-27 12:52   ` Timo Sirainen
2003-08-27 13:40     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-08-27 14:56       ` Timo Sirainen
2003-08-27 23:39         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-28  0:52           ` Timo Sirainen
2003-08-27 18:42             ` Nagendra Singh Tomar
2003-08-28  8:40               ` Timo Sirainen
2003-08-27 21:15                 ` Nagendra Singh Tomar
2003-08-28  9:35                   ` Timo Sirainen
2003-08-27 21:52                     ` Nagendra Singh Tomar
2003-08-28 13:26                       ` Matthias Andree
2003-08-28  9:17                 ` David Schwartz
2003-08-28  8:42               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-08-28 20:13                 ` David B. Stevens
2003-08-28  1:50             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-28  3:17               ` Timo Sirainen
2003-08-28  6:01                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-08-28  6:13                 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-28  8:57                   ` Timo Sirainen
2003-08-28  9:56                     ` David Schwartz [this message]
2003-08-28 10:26                       ` Timo Sirainen
2003-08-27 22:58                         ` Nagendra Singh Tomar
2003-08-28 12:18                           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-28  0:39                             ` Nagendra Singh Tomar
2003-08-28 13:00                               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-28  1:06                                 ` Nagendra Singh Tomar
2003-08-28 21:49                             ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-08-28 12:01                         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-28 13:28                           ` Timo Sirainen
2003-08-28 20:24                         ` David Schwartz
2003-08-28 12:44                       ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2003-08-28 13:03                         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-28 17:26                           ` root
2003-08-28 17:35                             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-28 18:10                               ` root
2003-08-28 21:59                             ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-08-28 23:02                               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-28 23:44                               ` Lockless file readingu root
2003-08-29 10:00                                 ` jlnance
2003-08-29 11:55                                   ` David Schwartz
2003-08-29 15:43                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-08-28 20:37                         ` Lockless file reading David Schwartz
2003-08-28 22:11                           ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-08-28 23:00                             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-29  0:47                             ` David Schwartz
2003-08-28  9:13                 ` Martin Konold
2003-08-28  9:27                   ` Timo Sirainen
2003-08-28  9:48                     ` Martin Konold
2003-08-28  0:03       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-28 12:08         ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-08-28 12:39           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-28 10:08   ` Matthias Andree
2003-08-28 10:54 ` Robin Rosenberg
2003-08-28 12:42   ` Jamie Lokier

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