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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@novell.com>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>,
	Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@linuxmail.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: mlock(1)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:52:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040930195228.GA1100@openzaurus.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040930191720.GB32279@dualathlon.random>

Hi!

> > Actually if your cipher is not resistant to known plaintext attack,
> 
> AFIK the only way to make it resistent to a brute force is to make it
> slow, like adding lots of bits of salt.

No. If you want it resistent to brute force, use big key. Actually 128bit should be enough.

If user's password has at least 128 bits of entropy, you should be safe, too.

salt only helps with "lets create 1TB of all common encrypted passwords" attack.

> My point is very simple, that is if you leave a zero as part of the API,
> then you're making things less secure.

This is same as saying that starting encrypted email with
"Hi!" is bad idea. It is not. Don't worry about brute-force, it is not
practical. (Okay, you probably should not limit password length to 8 chars).

				Pavel
-- 
64 bytes from 195.113.31.123: icmp_seq=28 ttl=51 time=448769.1 ms         


  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-30 19:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-24 19:57 mlock(1) Jeff Garzik
2004-09-24 20:15 ` mlock(1) Neil Horman
2004-09-24 20:21   ` mlock(1) Neil Horman
2004-09-24 20:31   ` mlock(1) Lee Revell
2004-09-24 20:33     ` mlock(1) Jeff Garzik
2004-09-24 20:39       ` mlock(1) Lee Revell
2004-09-24 20:22 ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-24 20:41   ` mlock(1) Chris Friesen
2004-09-24 20:46     ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-24 20:54       ` mlock(1) Chris Friesen
2004-09-24 20:59         ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-24 22:48     ` mlock(1) Ryan Cumming
2004-09-24 21:07   ` mlock(1) Alan Cox
2004-09-24 22:19     ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-24 22:30       ` mlock(1) Jeff Garzik
2004-09-24 23:08         ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-24 22:59     ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-24 23:46       ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-25  1:07         ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-25  1:21           ` mlock(1) David Lang
2004-09-25  1:30             ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-25  1:46               ` mlock(1) Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-09-25  2:15                 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-25  2:46                   ` mlock(1) Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-09-25  2:58                     ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-25  3:29                       ` mlock(1) Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-09-25  4:07                         ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-25  4:52                           ` mlock(1) Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-09-25 17:15                         ` mlock(1) Andy Lutomirski
2004-09-25  2:33                 ` mlock(1) Bernd Eckenfels
2004-09-25  1:27           ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-28 22:03             ` mlock(1) Robert White
2004-09-28 22:15               ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-28 23:26                 ` mlock(1) Robert White
2004-09-29  1:16                   ` mlock(1) Jon Masters
2004-09-29  1:23                     ` mlock(1) Alan Cox
2004-09-29  3:46                     ` mlock(1) Robert White
2004-09-29 12:34                       ` mlock(1) Jon Masters
2004-09-29 15:57                       ` mlock(1) Lee Revell
2004-09-29 22:56                         ` mlock(1) Paul Jackson
2004-09-25 12:21           ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-25 14:53             ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-28  8:48               ` mlock(1) Pavel Machek
2004-09-30 17:42                 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-30 18:54                   ` mlock(1) Pavel Machek
2004-09-30 19:17                     ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-30 19:52                       ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2004-10-04 12:21                   ` mlock(1) Jack Lloyd
2004-09-24 23:59       ` mlock(1) Bernd Eckenfels
2004-09-25  0:25         ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-25  1:18           ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-27  6:16             ` mlock(1) Stefan Seyfried
2004-09-27 10:32               ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-27 14:29                 ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-27 20:32                   ` mlock(1) Wolfgang Walter
2004-09-27 14:16               ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-27 13:31                 ` mlock(1) Alan Cox
2004-09-29  1:48                   ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-27 14:34                 ` mlock(1) Stefan Seyfried
2004-09-27 15:07                   ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-27 15:25                     ` mlock(1) Stefan Seyfried
2004-09-27 15:38                       ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-30 13:04                     ` mlock(1) Pavel Machek
2004-09-27 22:22                 ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-27 22:43                   ` mlock(1) Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-28 22:03                     ` mlock(1) Nigel Cunningham
2004-09-24 20:24 ` mlock(1) Chris Friesen
2004-09-24 21:17 ` mlock(1) Andrew Morton
2004-09-25  0:26   ` mlock(1) Chris Wright
2004-09-25  1:28     ` mlock(1) Andrew Morton
2004-09-25  1:33       ` mlock(1) Chris Wright

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