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From: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@aitel.hist.no>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Helge Hafting <helge.hafting@hist.no>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	andrea@suse.de, marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au
Subject: Re: [PATCH] oom killer (Core)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 22:14:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041205211443.GA31731@hh.idb.hist.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1102108823.13353.267.camel@tglx.tec.linutronix.de>

On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 10:20:22PM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 15:41 +0100, Helge Hafting wrote:
> > The case of OOM killed sshd is fixable without touching the kernel:
> > Make sure sshd is started from init, init will then restart sshd whenever
> > it quits for some reason.  This will get you your essential sshd back
> > assuming the machine is still running and the OOM killer managed
> > to free up some memory by killing some other processes.
> > 
> > One might still wish for better OOM behaviour, but it is a case
> > where something has to give.
> > 
> 
> Hey, are you kidding ?
> 
Please don't misunderstand.  I'm not saing that 2.6 is fine,
only that there is a way to automatically restart a sshd accidentally 
killed by the OOM killer.  This could probably save you some of those
trips, if you keep experimenting with 2.6.

> 2.4 lets me not in, because the fork of sshd fails. How do you fix this
> with changing the userspace ?
> 
Fork failing is another issue than a killed sshd.  It is usually fixed
by using ulimit so a buggy process simply cant fork off way too
many children. (Or use up too much memory.)

> 2.6 oom is plain buggy
> 
Quite possible, but be aware that these things can happen with 2.4 too.
It is possible to get 2.4 into a shortage where fork fails,
you should use ulimit anyway to avoid that.  Also, having
a sshd that is restarted by "init" is a good idea anyway
on such a remote machine.  2.4 might not kill sshd by kernel bug, but
who knows what some future exploit or future bug could do. 

> I have no problem to help myself, but I want to get this fixed in a
> reliable way which meets the comment in oom_kill.c: "least surprise"

I too want a well-behaved OOM killer.  Workarounds are available though,
until this happens.

Helge Hafting

  reply	other threads:[~2004-12-05 21:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-12-01  9:49 tglx
2004-12-01 21:16 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-01 22:06   ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-12-01 22:33     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-02  3:36     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-02 11:09       ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-12-02 13:48         ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-12-02 16:47           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-02 16:55             ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-02 11:18               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-12-02 17:17               ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-12-02 17:27                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-02 18:08               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-02 18:29                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-02 19:01                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-12-02 18:55                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-12-02 19:07                   ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-02 19:08                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-12-02 19:22                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-02 19:24                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-12-02 20:11                           ` Andre Tomt
2004-12-03 22:45                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-12-02 23:47                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-03 14:41                           ` Helge Hafting
2004-12-03 21:20                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-12-05 21:14                               ` Helge Hafting [this message]
2004-12-02 23:35                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-03  2:28                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-03 22:37                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-12-03 22:51                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-12-03 23:08                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-10 16:36                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-10 17:35                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-10 17:43                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-10 17:55                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-10 18:00                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-10 18:15                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-10 18:19                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-10 19:05                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-10 16:51                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-03 21:10                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-12-03 22:21                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-05  2:52 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-05 13:38   ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-12-05 15:22     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-10 16:32 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-10 16:52   ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-12-10 17:43     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-10 17:47     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-10 17:49     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-10 17:57       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-12  0:12         ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-24  1:18     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-01 10:21 tvrtko.ursulin
2004-12-04  7:00 Voluspa
2004-12-04  8:08 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-04 12:42 Voluspa
2004-12-04 16:43 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-04 18:33   ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-12-04 21:02     ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-12-05  0:27       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-05 14:55         ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-12-05 15:34           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-05 16:29             ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-12-05  2:22 Voluspa
2004-12-05  8:32 Voluspa

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