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From: lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Lennart Sorensen)
To: Lukasz Stelmach <stlman@poczta.fm>
Cc: mru@inprovide.com, Patrick McFarland <pmcfarland@downeast.net>,
	"Alexander E. Patrakov" <patrakov@ums.usu.ru>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS.
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:28:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050615212825.GS23621@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <42B04090.7050703@poczta.fm>

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 04:52:00PM +0200, Lukasz Stelmach wrote:
> There are far more programmes than only iconv. First of all readline
> library is kind of broken because it counts (or at least it did a year
> ago) bytes instead of characters. I won't use UTF-8 nor force anybody
> else to do so until readline will handle it properly.

Well utf8 would sure be nice if everything used it, and getting nice
fonts for it was simple.

> And it is good in a way, however, i think kernel level translation
> should be also possible. Either done by a code in each filsystem or by
> some layer above it.

What do you do if the underlying filesystem can not store some unicode
characters that are allowed on others?

> It depend's on what it is used for. It is very good fs for removable
> media. None of linux native filesystems is good for this because of
> different uids on different machines. Since VFAT uses unicode it is
> possible to see the filenames properly on systems using different
> codepages for the same language (1:1 is possible).

VFAT uses unicode?  I thought it used the same codepage silyness as FAT
did, since after all ti was just supposed to be a long filename
extension to FAT.  Do they use unicode in the long filenames only?

I think UDF is a better filesystem for many types of media since it is
able to me more gently to the sectors storing the meta data than VFAT
ever will be.

Len Sorensen

  reply	other threads:[~2005-06-15 21:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-06-13 10:38 Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 10:49 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-06-13 18:01   ` Islam Amer
2005-06-14  9:32     ` Islam Amer
2005-06-14 10:10       ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-14 15:28         ` Islam Amer
2005-06-13 12:05 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-06-13 13:54   ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 14:32     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-06-13 17:38       ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 18:58         ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-14  8:04           ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-06-14  9:05             ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-15  8:26               ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15  8:54                 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-15  9:14                   ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15  9:41                     ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-15 14:52                       ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15 21:28                         ` Lennart Sorensen [this message]
2005-06-15 23:34                           ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-16  1:44                             ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 10:38                               ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-16 11:36                               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-16 20:41                               ` Rob Sims
2005-06-16  9:40                             ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-18 14:48                               ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-18 23:22                                 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-22  8:41                                   ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-16 13:39                             ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-16 14:44                               ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-06-16 15:04                                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-17  1:18                                   ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-17  8:21                                     ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17  8:49                                       ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-17  9:17                                         ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17  9:37                                           ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17  9:41                                         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-17 13:09                                         ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-17 13:23                                           ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-18 16:04                                             ` Robin Rosenberg
2005-06-18 18:06                                               ` Kari Hurtta
2005-06-18 21:57                                                 ` Robin Rosenberg
2005-06-18 19:09                                               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-17 12:56                                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-18 22:30                                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-16  1:42                           ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-13 13:35 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-13 17:20   ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 19:20     ` Alan Cox
2005-06-13 19:38       ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-13 20:31       ` Rutger Nijlunsing
2005-06-15 20:50       ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-16  1:52         ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 10:14           ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-16  1:49       ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16  2:36         ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-06-16  2:59           ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16  4:33           ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2005-06-16 14:37             ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-06-19 17:55               ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-20 18:38                 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-20 22:19                   ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-20 23:38                     ` Andreas Schwab
2005-08-26  0:00                   ` Daniel B.
2005-08-26  8:34                     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-08-26 14:07                     ` Alan Cox
2005-06-15  9:13 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-16  1:55   ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16  3:59     ` [RFC] Filesystem name storage (Was: A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS.) Kyle Moffett
2005-06-18 15:24       ` Lukasz Stelmach
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     [not found]       ` <4fCe4-7Rm-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <4fCHg-89R-29@gated-at.bofh.it>
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     [not found]             ` <4fNMd-l6-25@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-06-17  9:12               ` A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS Bodo Eggert
2005-06-18 15:31                 ` Lukasz Stelmach
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     [not found] ` <4glbh-xY-29@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <4glbh-xY-31@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <4glbh-xY-33@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <4glbh-xY-35@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <4glbh-xY-37@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <4glbh-xY-39@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]             ` <4glbh-xY-41@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]               ` <4glbh-xY-25@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-06-17  9:56                 ` Bodo Eggert
2005-06-17 23:22 Islam Amer

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