From: Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>
To: Patrick McFarland <pmcfarland@downeast.net>
Cc: Denis Vlasenko <vda@ilport.com.ua>,
Alexey Zaytsev <alexey.zaytsev@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [RFC] Filesystem name storage (Was: A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS.)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:59:11 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <C960854D-7EA5-4DD7-8F2B-7021092CE3EB@mac.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200506152155.05865.pmcfarland@downeast.net>
On Jun 15, 2005, at 21:55:04, Patrick McFarland wrote:
> On Wednesday 15 June 2005 05:13 am, Denis Vlasenko wrote:
>> I do not understand how this is going to look from userspace
>> perspective.
>> Can you give examples how this will work?
>
> IMHO, he means that the userspace would only see Unicode filenames,
> and the
> userspace could only give Unicode names back to the kernel. The
> kernel, using
> this global NLS layer would translate back and forth, and the userland
> wouldn't know about it.
>
> Its basically the only sane way to approach the problem of getting
> the entire
> Linux community to convert to Unicode.
Would the following system for filenames resolve most of the issues
people
are raising:
First load charset tables into the kernel. These would be stored in
files in
userspace and could be easily updated, renamed, deleted, etc. Such a
table
would always be a translation from Unicode <=> Charset. A kernel
with this
system built in would understand natively "raw", "utf8", "utf16", and
"utf32",
anything else would need loaded charset tables.
The following mount options would available:
nls_raw=(0|1) [default 1]:
This would cause Linux to pass all chars through unmolested.
This mode
works well on multiuser systems where users want to use their
own NLS
tools, or where the whole system uses UTF-8, including the
filesystems.
This is backwards compatible with the way Linux currently
presents most
(all?) filesystems. If the options "nls_disk" or "nls_user" are
used,
then this option is forced to be zero.
nls_disk=<string-charset>
This specifies the underlying charset which should be used on
the disk
or filesystem itself. This may be "negotiate" for any filesystems
which support NLS *and* can identify which charset is in use.
Built in
options are "utf8", "utf16", and "utf32". Defaults to
"negotiate" if
available otherwise "utf8", but only defaults if "nls_raw" is 0.
nls_user=<string-charset>
This specifies the charset which should be presented to the
user. This
may be used to allow a backwards compatibility (IE: A program wants
ISO8859-1, but the admin wants the underlying filesystem to use
UTF-8.
Built in options are "utf8", "utf16", and "utf32". Defaults to
"utf8"
if "nls_raw" is 0.
The end result is that specifying either nls_disk or nls_user will
turn on
automatic NLS conversion, with the unspecified nls_ option being utf8.
If these options are used on bind mounts, they should override the
underlying
filesystem's mount options (Instead of stacking). This will allow
the admin
to specify:
# mount -t ext3 -o nls_disk=utf8,nls_user=utf8 /dev/hdb /mnt
# mount --bind -o nls_disk=utf8,nls_user=iso8850-1 /mnt/mail /var/
spool/mail
if he/she wants to provide backwards compatibility with a legacy mail
spooling program. Note: A part of each translation table would be an
entry for "Unspecified character", such that any UTF-8 character not
mapped
in the table could be translated to a sane default, such as '?'. If
names
collide under such translation, the kernel would need a way to keep
track of
the collisions (Appended numbers?) and properly re-resolve them when
asked.
Cheers,
Kyle Moffett
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Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-06-13 10:38 A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 10:49 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-06-13 18:01 ` Islam Amer
2005-06-14 9:32 ` Islam Amer
2005-06-14 10:10 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-14 15:28 ` Islam Amer
2005-06-13 12:05 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-06-13 13:54 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 14:32 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-06-13 17:38 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 18:58 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-14 8:04 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-06-14 9:05 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-15 8:26 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15 8:54 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-15 9:14 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15 9:41 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-15 14:52 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15 21:28 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-15 23:34 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-16 1:44 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 10:38 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-16 11:36 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-16 20:41 ` Rob Sims
2005-06-16 9:40 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-18 14:48 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-18 23:22 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-22 8:41 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-16 13:39 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-16 14:44 ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-06-16 15:04 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-17 1:18 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-17 8:21 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17 8:49 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-17 9:17 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17 9:37 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17 9:41 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-17 13:09 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-17 13:23 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-18 16:04 ` Robin Rosenberg
2005-06-18 18:06 ` Kari Hurtta
2005-06-18 21:57 ` Robin Rosenberg
2005-06-18 19:09 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-17 12:56 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-18 22:30 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-16 1:42 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-13 13:35 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-13 17:20 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 19:20 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-13 19:38 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-13 20:31 ` Rutger Nijlunsing
2005-06-15 20:50 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-16 1:52 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 10:14 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-16 1:49 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 2:36 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-06-16 2:59 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 4:33 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2005-06-16 14:37 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-06-19 17:55 ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-20 18:38 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-20 22:19 ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-20 23:38 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-08-26 0:00 ` Daniel B.
2005-08-26 8:34 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-08-26 14:07 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-15 9:13 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-16 1:55 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 3:59 ` Kyle Moffett [this message]
2005-06-18 15:24 ` [RFC] Filesystem name storage (Was: A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS.) Lukasz Stelmach
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