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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Cc: rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk, torvalds@osdl.org,
	tony.luck@gmail.com, paolo.ciarrocchi@gmail.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: New (now current development process)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:07:59 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051030230759.7ada7884.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200510310341.02897.ak@suse.de>

Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de> wrote:
>
> On Monday 31 October 2005 02:22, Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
> > There is nothing stopping anyone from working with the originators to get
> > these things fixed up at any time.
> >
> > Why is it necessary for me to chase maintainers to get their bugs fixed?
> >
> > Why are maintainers working on new features when they have unresolved bugs?
> 
> Because zero bugs is just unrealistic and they would never get anything done
> if that was the requirement? 
> 
> (especially considering that a lot of the bugs at least on x86-64 are 
> hardware/firmware bugs of some sort, so often it is not really a linux
> bug but just a missing ha^w^wwork^w^w^w^wfix for something else) 
> 
> I agree regressions are a problem and need to be addressed, but handling all 
> non regressions on a non trivial platforms is just impossible IMHO...
> 
> Perhaps it would be nice to have better bug classification: e.g.
> regression/new hardware/reported by more than one person etc.  I think
> with some prioritization like that it would be much easier to keep the bugs
> under control. 

Well sure.  But who does that?  It should be the relevant maintainer, IMO. 
If that's the way in which he chooses to work.  Expecting some third party
to do this on a kenrel-wide basis won't fly.

> ...
> Sometimes bugs are less important than others.

I don't believe that what we're seeing is some prioritisation process.  The
problem is that some bugs are *harder* than others, and people are just
ducking things which cannot be locally reproduced.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-10-31  6:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-10-29 17:26 Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-10-29 18:57 ` Tony Luck
2005-10-29 19:51   ` Russell King
2005-10-29 20:28     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-29 20:44       ` Akula2
2005-10-29 23:28         ` Greg KH
2005-10-29 22:29       ` Andi Kleen
2005-10-29 22:37         ` Russell King
2005-10-30 19:12           ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-30 21:43             ` Russell King
2005-10-30 22:31               ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-30 22:45                 ` Russell King
2005-10-30 22:55                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-30 23:17                     ` Russell King
2005-10-31  0:48             ` Andi Kleen
2005-10-31  0:16               ` Russell King
2005-10-31  1:22                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-31  2:41                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-10-31  6:34                     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-10-31  7:07                     ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2005-10-31 23:58                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-11-01  0:05                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-01  0:13                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-01  0:34                           ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-01  0:59                             ` Grant Coady
2005-11-01 14:08                             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-01 15:15                             ` Nix
2005-11-01 15:26                             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-02  5:01                             ` Roland Dreier
2005-11-02  5:43                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-02  5:56                                 ` Roland Dreier
2005-11-02  6:05                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-02  6:15                                     ` Roland Dreier
2005-11-02 15:54                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-02 17:48                                         ` Dave Jones
2005-11-02 18:12                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-02 20:11                                           ` David Lang
2005-11-02 22:31                                             ` Sam Ravnborg
2005-11-03 18:54                                               ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-02 23:11                                     ` Rob Landley
2005-11-04 22:08                                     ` Tim Bird
2005-11-04 22:35                                       ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-04 23:33                                         ` Tim Bird
2005-11-02 15:41                             ` Andreas Kleen
2005-11-01  7:52                           ` Russell King
2005-11-01  9:09                           ` Rob Landley
2005-11-01 14:15                           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-01  0:17                         ` Roman Zippel
2005-11-01  0:34                           ` Jesse Barnes
2005-10-31  1:10               ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-31  5:05               ` Rob Landley
2005-10-31  7:17                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-31  8:47                   ` Rogério Brito
2005-10-31  9:54                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-02  5:04                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-10-30 21:32         ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-10-31  0:45           ` Andi Kleen
2005-10-31  0:18             ` Al Viro
2005-10-31  3:14               ` Paul Jackson
2005-10-31  3:34                 ` Al Viro
2005-10-31  6:17                   ` Paul Jackson
2005-10-31  7:22                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-31  7:27                     ` Al Viro
2005-10-31  8:19                       ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-02  4:53                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-02  4:49               ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-10-31  4:52             ` Rob Landley
2005-11-02 14:44               ` Andreas Kleen
2005-10-30  1:12       ` Tony Luck
2005-10-31  6:41       ` Willy Tarreau
2005-11-07  4:54         ` Eric Sandall
2005-11-07 16:12           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-11-07 17:11             ` Christopher Friesen
2005-11-07 17:22               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-07 17:28                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-07 20:34                   ` Willy Tarreau
2005-11-07 18:25               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-10-30  0:37 ` Jesper Juhl

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