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From: Alexey Kuznetsov <kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru>
To: Hubertus Franke <frankeh@watson.ibm.com>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>, Sam Vilain <sam@vilain.net>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Kirill Korotaev <dev@openvz.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, clg@fr.ibm.com,
	haveblue@us.ibm.com, greg@kroah.com, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk,
	arjan@infradead.org, saw@sawoct.com, devel@openvz.org,
	Dmitry Mishin <dim@sw.ru>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>
Subject: Re: The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation.
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 03:43:25 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060208004325.GA15061@ms2.inr.ac.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43E92EDC.8040603@watson.ibm.com>

Hello!

> >2) What is the syscall interface to create these namespaces?
> >   - Do we add clone flags?  
> >     (Plan 9 style)
> 
> Like that approach .. flexible .. particular when one has well specified 
> namespaces.
> 
> >   - Do we add a syscall (similar to setsid) per namespace?
> >     (Traditional unix style)?
> 
> Where does that approach end .. what's wrong with doing it at clone() time ?

That most of those namespaces need a special setup rather than a plain copy?

F.e. what are you going to do with NETWORK namespace? The only valid thing
to do is to prepare a new context and to configure its content (addresses,
routing tables, iptables...) later. So that, in this case it is natural
to inherit the context through clone() and to create new context
with a separate syscall.

Seems, only PID space needs to be setup at clone time. All the rest of
suggested namespaces are more convenient to change with separate syscalls.

I would suggest to combine both approaches. Those namespaces, which can be
naturally copied while clone() (f.e. the best example is already existing
CLONE_NEWNS) deserve a clone() flag. The rest are preserved through clone()
and forked and configured later.

Alexey

  reply	other threads:[~2006-02-08  0:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-06 21:57 [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-06 22:12 ` [PATCH 2/4] Virtualization/containers: CONFIG_CONTAINER Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-06 22:17 ` [PATCH 3/4] Virtualization/containers: UID hash Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-06 22:22 ` [PATCH 4/4] Virtualization/containers: uts name Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-06 23:00 ` [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction Dave Hansen
2006-02-07 12:24   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-07  3:34 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07  3:40   ` Rik van Riel
2006-02-07  6:30     ` Sam Vilain
2006-02-07 11:51       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-07 14:31         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07 15:42       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07 16:18         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-07 17:20           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07 22:43         ` Sam Vilain
2006-02-07 16:57       ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-07 20:19         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-02-07 20:46           ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-07 22:00             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07 22:19               ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-07 22:06             ` The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07 23:35               ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-08  0:43                 ` Alexey Kuznetsov [this message]
2006-02-08  2:49                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-08  3:36                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-02-08  3:52                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-08  4:37                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-08  4:46                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-08 19:24                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-02-08  5:23                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-08 14:40                   ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-08 15:17                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-02-08 15:35                       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-08 15:57                         ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-08 19:02                           ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-08 16:48                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-08 17:46                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-08 18:03                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-02-08 18:31                       ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-08 20:21                       ` Dave Hansen
2006-02-08 21:22                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-02-08 22:28                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-20 12:11                 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-20 12:41                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-20 14:26                     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-20 15:16                       ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-08  4:56               ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-08 14:38                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-02-08 14:51                   ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-09  4:45               ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-09  5:41                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-09 22:25               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07 22:58         ` [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction Sam Vilain
2006-02-07 23:18           ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-08  5:03             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-08 14:13               ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-08 15:44                 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-08 16:39                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-08  2:08           ` Kevin Fox
2006-02-08  1:16             ` Sam Vilain
2006-02-08  4:21               ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-08 15:36         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-08 17:16           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-08 20:43           ` Dave Hansen
2006-02-08 21:04             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07 12:14   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-07 14:06     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07 14:52       ` Rik van Riel
2006-02-07 15:13         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-09  0:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-09  2:18   ` Jeff Dike
2006-02-09  3:16     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-09 14:28     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-09 15:40       ` Jeff Dike
2006-02-09 15:49         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-09 17:50           ` Jeff Dike
2006-02-09 16:38     ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-09 17:48       ` Jeff Dike
2006-02-09 22:09         ` Sam Vilain
2006-02-09 21:56   ` Eric W. Biederman

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