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From: Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Erik Mouw <erik@harddisk-recovery.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Jason Schoonover <jasons@pioneer-pra.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: High load average on disk I/O on 2.6.17-rc3
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 12:28:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060508112831.GA14206@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1147087356.2888.9.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org>

On Mon, May 08, 2006 at 01:22:36PM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 13:13 +0200, Erik Mouw wrote:
> > On Sun, May 07, 2006 at 09:50:39AM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > This is probably because the number of pdflush threads slowly grows to its
> > > maximum.  This is bogus, and we seem to have broken it sometime in the past
> > > few releases.  I need to find a few quality hours to get in there and fix
> > > it, but they're rare :(
> > > 
> > > It's pretty harmless though.  The "load average" thing just means that the
> > > extra pdflush threads are twiddling thumbs waiting on some disk I/O -
> > > they'll later exit and clean themselves up.  They won't be consuming
> > > significant resources.
> > 
> > Not completely harmless. Some daemons (sendmail, exim) use the load
> > average to decide if they will allow more work.
> 
> and those need to be fixed most likely ;)

Why do you think that?  exim uses the load average to work out whether
it's a good idea to spawn more copies of itself, and increase the load
on the machine.

Unfortunately though, under 2.6 kernels, the load average seems to be
a meaningless indication of how busy the system is from that point of
view.

Having a single CPU machine with a load average of 150 and still feel
very interactive at the shell is extremely counter-intuitive.

-- 
Russell King
 Linux kernel    2.6 ARM Linux   - http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/
 maintainer of:  2.6 Serial core

  reply	other threads:[~2006-05-08 11:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-05-05 17:10 Jason Schoonover
2006-05-06 23:03 ` bert hubert
2006-05-07  1:02   ` Jason Schoonover
2006-05-07 10:54     ` bert hubert
2006-05-07 16:50 ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-07 17:24   ` Jason Schoonover
2006-05-08 11:13   ` Erik Mouw
2006-05-08 11:22     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-08 11:28       ` Russell King [this message]
2006-05-08 11:38         ` Avi Kivity
2006-05-08 12:37         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-09 14:37         ` Bill Davidsen
2006-05-08 14:24   ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-05-08 14:55     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-08 15:22       ` Erik Mouw
2006-05-08 15:25         ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-05-08 15:31         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-08 15:42           ` Erik Mouw
2006-05-08 16:02             ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-05-08 16:02             ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2006-05-08 16:47             ` Russell King
2006-05-08 17:04               ` Gabor Gombas
2006-05-08 17:18             ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-09  1:57           ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-09  2:02             ` Martin Bligh
2006-05-09  2:16               ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-09  4:36             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-09  4:46               ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-09  5:27                 ` Hua Zhong
2006-05-09  5:03               ` David Lang
2006-05-15  7:46                 ` Sander
2006-05-08 22:24         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2006-05-08 22:39           ` Lee Revell
2006-05-09  0:08           ` Peter Williams
2006-05-09 18:33           ` Bill Davidsen
     [not found] <69c8K-3Bu-57@gated-at.bofh.it>
2006-05-05 23:12 ` Robert Hancock
2006-05-06  4:39   ` Jason Schoonover
2006-05-06 17:20     ` Robert Hancock
2006-05-06 18:23       ` Jason Schoonover
2006-05-06 20:01         ` Robert Hancock

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