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From: Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Cedric Le Goater <clg@fr.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Kirill Korotaev <dev@openvz.org>, Andrey Savochkin <saw@sw.ru>,
	Sam Vilain <sam.vilain@catalyst.net.nz>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
	Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH -mm 5/7] add user namespace
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:05:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060712120505.GA31709@MAIL.13thfloor.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1fyh7eb9i.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>

On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 09:46:01PM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Cedric Le Goater <clg@fr.ibm.com> writes:
> 
> > This patch adds the user namespace.
> >
> > Basically, it allows a process to unshare its user_struct table,
> > resetting at the same time its own user_struct and all the
> > associated accounting.
> >
> > For the moment, the root_user is added to the new user namespace
> > when it is cloned. An alternative behavior would be to let the
> > system allocate a new user_struct(0) in each new user namespace.
> > However, these 0 users would not have the privileges of the
> > root_user and it would be necessary to work on the process
> > capabilities to give them some permissions.
> 
> It is completely the wrong thing for a the root_user to span multiple
> namespaces as you describe. It is important for uid 0 in other
> namespaces to not have the privileges of the root_user. That is half
> the point.
>
> Too many files in sysfs and proc don't require caps but instead simply
> limit things to uid 0. Having a separate uid 0 in the different
> namespaces instantly makes all of these files inaccessible, and keeps
> processes from doing something bad.

well, here I'd definitely prefer to fix up that 'broken'
entries by adding proper capability checks, and maybe
even a bunch of new capabilities (i.e. 64bit caps and
such) first, because IMHO the capability system is the
'proper' method to protect them in the first place

> To a filesystem a uid does not share a uid namespace with the
> only things that should be accessible are those things that are
> readable/writeable by everyone. Unless the filesystem has provisions
> for storing multiple uid namespaces not files should be able to be
> created. Think NFS root squash.

that's where file tagging as Linux-VServer does it can
be used to 'share' a partition between different guests
(and have separate disk limits and quotas)

best,
Herbert

> > Signed-off-by: Cedric Le Goater <clg@fr.ibm.com>
> > Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
> > Cc: Kirill Korotaev <dev@openvz.org>
> > Cc: Andrey Savochkin <saw@sw.ru>
> > Cc: Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>
> > Cc: Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>
> > Cc: Sam Vilain <sam.vilain@catalyst.net.nz>
> > Cc: Serge E. Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com>
> > Cc: Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>
> >
> > ---
> >  fs/ioprio.c               |    5 +
> >  include/linux/init_task.h |    2 
> >  include/linux/nsproxy.h   |    2 
> >  include/linux/sched.h     |    6 +-
> >  include/linux/user.h      |   45 +++++++++++++++
> >  init/Kconfig              |    8 ++
> >  kernel/nsproxy.c          |   15 ++++-
> >  kernel/sys.c              |    8 +-
> >  kernel/user.c | 135 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++----
> 
> This patch looks extremly incomplete.
> 
> Every comparison of a user id needs to compare the tuple
> (user namespace, user id) or it needs to compare struct users.
> 
> Ever comparison of a group id needs to compare the tuple
> (user namespace, group id) or it needs to compare struct users.
> 
> I think the key infrastructure needs to be looked at here as well.
> 
> There needs to be a user namespace association for mounted filesystems.
> 
> We need a discussion about how we handle map users from one user
> namespace to another, because without some form of mapping so many
> things become inaccessible that the system is almost useless.
> 
> I believe some of the key infrastructure which is roughly kerberos
> authentication tokens could be used for this purpose.
> 
> A user namespace is a big thing.  What I see here doesn't even
> seem to scratch the surface.
> 
> Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2006-07-12 12:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-11  7:50 [PATCH -mm 0/7] execns syscall and " Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11  7:50 ` [PATCH -mm 1/7] add execns syscall core routine Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11  7:50 ` [PATCH -mm 2/7] add execns syscall to s390 Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 13:44   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2006-07-11 13:44   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2006-07-11 14:44     ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 14:54       ` Martin Schwidefsky
2006-07-11 15:43         ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11  7:50 ` [PATCH -mm 3/7] add execns syscall to x86_64 Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11  7:50 ` [PATCH -mm 4/7] add execns syscall to i386 Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11  7:50 ` [PATCH -mm 5/7] add user namespace Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 16:39   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-07-11 17:38     ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-12 11:21       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-07-13 16:01         ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-12  3:33     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-12 11:13       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-07-12 18:10         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 17:00           ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-13 18:07             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 18:21             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 18:31               ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-13 18:54                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-12  3:46   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-12 12:05     ` Herbert Poetzl [this message]
2006-07-12 17:09       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-12 14:00     ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-12 17:24       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 17:36         ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-13 17:47           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-13 18:14             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 18:29               ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-13 19:02                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 20:03                   ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-14  3:45                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 14:28                       ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-14 15:13                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 16:29                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 16:49                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 16:55                               ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-14 17:08                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 17:19                                   ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-14 17:36                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 18:15                                       ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-14 18:40                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 21:04                                           ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-15  4:09                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-15  4:35                                               ` Kyle Moffett
2006-07-15 12:35                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-15 13:25                                                   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-07-15 15:54                                                   ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-15 17:01                                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-15 23:29                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-16 16:18                                                       ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-14 17:14                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-16  8:36                                 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-07-16 10:08                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 17:05                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 17:50                                 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-07-15 11:33                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 17:56                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 16:35                           ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-13 21:41                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14  3:52                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 14:02                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 14:50                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 16:39                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 17:18                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 17:24                               ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-14 18:06                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 18:42                                   ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-14 19:07                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 17:59           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 21:22             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14  3:50               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 14:17         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 15:05           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 16:46             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 16:58               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 15:43           ` Kyle Moffett
2006-07-14 16:13             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-11  7:50 ` [PATCH -mm 6/7] add the user namespace to the execns syscall Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11  7:50 ` [PATCH -mm 7/7] forbid the use of the unshare syscall on ipc namespaces Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 14:10   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-07-11 15:06     ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11  8:02 ` [PATCH -mm 0/7] execns syscall and user namespace Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-11  8:42   ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 18:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:26   ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 18:28     ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 19:50       ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-11 21:50         ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 21:57           ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-12  0:16             ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-12  0:25               ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-12  0:28           ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 20:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-11 21:28   ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-12  3:24     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-12 13:05       ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-12 16:56         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 16:13           ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-12 11:11   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-07-12 13:10     ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-15 17:39 [PATCH -mm 5/7] add " Al Boldi
2006-07-16 12:19 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-07-17 11:25   ` Al Boldi

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