From: Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Cedric Le Goater <clg@fr.ibm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
Kirill Korotaev <dev@openvz.org>, Andrey Savochkin <saw@sw.ru>,
Sam Vilain <sam.vilain@catalyst.net.nz>,
"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH -mm 5/7] add user namespace
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:05:05 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060712120505.GA31709@MAIL.13thfloor.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1fyh7eb9i.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 09:46:01PM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Cedric Le Goater <clg@fr.ibm.com> writes:
>
> > This patch adds the user namespace.
> >
> > Basically, it allows a process to unshare its user_struct table,
> > resetting at the same time its own user_struct and all the
> > associated accounting.
> >
> > For the moment, the root_user is added to the new user namespace
> > when it is cloned. An alternative behavior would be to let the
> > system allocate a new user_struct(0) in each new user namespace.
> > However, these 0 users would not have the privileges of the
> > root_user and it would be necessary to work on the process
> > capabilities to give them some permissions.
>
> It is completely the wrong thing for a the root_user to span multiple
> namespaces as you describe. It is important for uid 0 in other
> namespaces to not have the privileges of the root_user. That is half
> the point.
>
> Too many files in sysfs and proc don't require caps but instead simply
> limit things to uid 0. Having a separate uid 0 in the different
> namespaces instantly makes all of these files inaccessible, and keeps
> processes from doing something bad.
well, here I'd definitely prefer to fix up that 'broken'
entries by adding proper capability checks, and maybe
even a bunch of new capabilities (i.e. 64bit caps and
such) first, because IMHO the capability system is the
'proper' method to protect them in the first place
> To a filesystem a uid does not share a uid namespace with the
> only things that should be accessible are those things that are
> readable/writeable by everyone. Unless the filesystem has provisions
> for storing multiple uid namespaces not files should be able to be
> created. Think NFS root squash.
that's where file tagging as Linux-VServer does it can
be used to 'share' a partition between different guests
(and have separate disk limits and quotas)
best,
Herbert
> > Signed-off-by: Cedric Le Goater <clg@fr.ibm.com>
> > Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
> > Cc: Kirill Korotaev <dev@openvz.org>
> > Cc: Andrey Savochkin <saw@sw.ru>
> > Cc: Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>
> > Cc: Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>
> > Cc: Sam Vilain <sam.vilain@catalyst.net.nz>
> > Cc: Serge E. Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com>
> > Cc: Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>
> >
> > ---
> > fs/ioprio.c | 5 +
> > include/linux/init_task.h | 2
> > include/linux/nsproxy.h | 2
> > include/linux/sched.h | 6 +-
> > include/linux/user.h | 45 +++++++++++++++
> > init/Kconfig | 8 ++
> > kernel/nsproxy.c | 15 ++++-
> > kernel/sys.c | 8 +-
> > kernel/user.c | 135 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++----
>
> This patch looks extremly incomplete.
>
> Every comparison of a user id needs to compare the tuple
> (user namespace, user id) or it needs to compare struct users.
>
> Ever comparison of a group id needs to compare the tuple
> (user namespace, group id) or it needs to compare struct users.
>
> I think the key infrastructure needs to be looked at here as well.
>
> There needs to be a user namespace association for mounted filesystems.
>
> We need a discussion about how we handle map users from one user
> namespace to another, because without some form of mapping so many
> things become inaccessible that the system is almost useless.
>
> I believe some of the key infrastructure which is roughly kerberos
> authentication tokens could be used for this purpose.
>
> A user namespace is a big thing. What I see here doesn't even
> seem to scratch the surface.
>
> Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-07-12 12:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-07-11 7:50 [PATCH -mm 0/7] execns syscall and " Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 7:50 ` [PATCH -mm 1/7] add execns syscall core routine Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 7:50 ` [PATCH -mm 2/7] add execns syscall to s390 Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 13:44 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2006-07-11 13:44 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2006-07-11 14:44 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 14:54 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2006-07-11 15:43 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 7:50 ` [PATCH -mm 3/7] add execns syscall to x86_64 Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 7:50 ` [PATCH -mm 4/7] add execns syscall to i386 Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 7:50 ` [PATCH -mm 5/7] add user namespace Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 16:39 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-07-11 17:38 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-12 11:21 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-07-13 16:01 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-12 3:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-12 11:13 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-07-12 18:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 17:00 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-13 18:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 18:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 18:31 ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-13 18:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-12 3:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-12 12:05 ` Herbert Poetzl [this message]
2006-07-12 17:09 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-12 14:00 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-12 17:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 17:36 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-13 17:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-13 18:14 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 18:29 ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-13 19:02 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 20:03 ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-14 3:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 14:28 ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-14 15:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 16:29 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 16:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 16:55 ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-14 17:08 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 17:19 ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-14 17:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 18:15 ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-14 18:40 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 21:04 ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-15 4:09 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-15 4:35 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-07-15 12:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-15 13:25 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-07-15 15:54 ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-15 17:01 ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-15 23:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-16 16:18 ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-14 17:14 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-16 8:36 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-07-16 10:08 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 17:05 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 17:50 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-07-15 11:33 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 17:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 16:35 ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-13 21:41 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 3:52 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 14:02 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 14:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 16:39 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 17:18 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 17:24 ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-14 18:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 18:42 ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-14 19:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 17:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 21:22 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 3:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 14:17 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 15:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 16:46 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 16:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 15:43 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-07-14 16:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-11 7:50 ` [PATCH -mm 6/7] add the user namespace to the execns syscall Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 7:50 ` [PATCH -mm 7/7] forbid the use of the unshare syscall on ipc namespaces Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 14:10 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-07-11 15:06 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 8:02 ` [PATCH -mm 0/7] execns syscall and user namespace Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-11 8:42 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 18:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:26 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 18:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 19:50 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-11 21:50 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 21:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-12 0:16 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-12 0:25 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-12 0:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 20:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-11 21:28 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-12 3:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-12 13:05 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-12 16:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 16:13 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-12 11:11 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-07-12 13:10 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-15 17:39 [PATCH -mm 5/7] add " Al Boldi
2006-07-16 12:19 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-07-17 11:25 ` Al Boldi
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