From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
Cc: Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>,
Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>,
"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
Cedric Le Goater <clg@fr.ibm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
Kirill Korotaev <dev@openvz.org>, Andrey Savochkin <saw@sw.ru>,
Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>,
Sam Vilain <sam.vilain@catalyst.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH -mm 5/7] add user namespace
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:29:25 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1zmfaphuy.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1152982872.5715.15.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> (Trond Myklebust's message of "Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:01:12 -0400")
Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no> writes:
> On Sat, 2006-07-15 at 06:35 -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> I hope the confusion has passed for Trond. My impression was he
>> figured this was per process data so it didn't make sense any where
>> near a filesystem, and the superblock was the last place it should
>> be.
>
> You are still using the wrong abstraction. Data that is not global to
> the entire machine has absolutely _no_ place being put into the
> superblock. It doesn't matter if it is process-specific,
> container-specific or whatever-else-specific, it will still be vetoed.
Sure, I have no problem with only global data, and filesystem specific
data being in a super block. In this case my impression is that the
data is at least arguably filesystem specific. filesystem-specific
data is ok on the super block is it not?
> If your real problem is uid/gid mapping on top of generic filesystems,
> then have you looked into the *BSD solution of using a stackable
> filesystem (i.e. umapfs)?
I haven't and it sounds reasonable to look at. As far as I know BSDs
don't have my specific problem. uid mapping is simply a tool for
dealing with the problem, not the problem itself. A stackable
filesystem is a reasonable alternative to using security keys to
do the mapping.
My real problem is that there is a good case for uids that are not
global to a machine. The discussion is simply how do you cope with
that.
Now I do believe that there is a good case for uids being global to a
filesystem and all I was really talking about was a tag that marked
which parts of the entire system that used the same uids as the
filesystem.
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-07-15 23:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-07-11 7:50 [PATCH -mm 0/7] execns syscall and " Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 7:50 ` [PATCH -mm 1/7] add execns syscall core routine Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 7:50 ` [PATCH -mm 2/7] add execns syscall to s390 Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 13:44 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2006-07-11 13:44 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2006-07-11 14:44 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 14:54 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2006-07-11 15:43 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 7:50 ` [PATCH -mm 3/7] add execns syscall to x86_64 Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 7:50 ` [PATCH -mm 4/7] add execns syscall to i386 Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 7:50 ` [PATCH -mm 5/7] add user namespace Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 16:39 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-07-11 17:38 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-12 11:21 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-07-13 16:01 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-12 3:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-12 11:13 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-07-12 18:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 17:00 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-13 18:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 18:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 18:31 ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-13 18:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-12 3:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-12 12:05 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-07-12 17:09 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-12 14:00 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-12 17:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 17:36 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-13 17:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-13 18:14 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 18:29 ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-13 19:02 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 20:03 ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-14 3:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 14:28 ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-14 15:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 16:29 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 16:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 16:55 ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-14 17:08 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 17:19 ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-14 17:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 18:15 ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-14 18:40 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 21:04 ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-15 4:09 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-15 4:35 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-07-15 12:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-15 13:25 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-07-15 15:54 ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-15 17:01 ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-15 23:29 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2006-07-16 16:18 ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-14 17:14 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-16 8:36 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-07-16 10:08 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 17:05 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 17:50 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-07-15 11:33 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 17:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 16:35 ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-13 21:41 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 3:52 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 14:02 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 14:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 16:39 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 17:18 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 17:24 ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-14 18:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 18:42 ` Dave Hansen
2006-07-14 19:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 17:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 21:22 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 3:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 14:17 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 15:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 16:46 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-07-14 16:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-14 15:43 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-07-14 16:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-11 7:50 ` [PATCH -mm 6/7] add the user namespace to the execns syscall Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 7:50 ` [PATCH -mm 7/7] forbid the use of the unshare syscall on ipc namespaces Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 14:10 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-07-11 15:06 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 8:02 ` [PATCH -mm 0/7] execns syscall and user namespace Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-11 8:42 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 18:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:26 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 18:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 19:50 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-11 21:50 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-11 21:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-12 0:16 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-12 0:25 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-12 0:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 20:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-11 21:28 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-12 3:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-12 13:05 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-12 16:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 16:13 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-12 11:11 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-07-12 13:10 ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-07-15 17:39 [PATCH -mm 5/7] add " Al Boldi
2006-07-16 12:19 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-07-17 11:25 ` Al Boldi
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