From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: andrea@cpushare.com
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
ajwade@cpe001346162bf9-cm0011ae8cd564.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com,
Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
"Randy.Dunlap" <rdunlap@xenotime.net>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
bunk@stusta.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu
Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] let CONFIG_SECCOMP default to n
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:20:26 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060713232026.GA6117@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060713231118.GA1913@opteron.random>
Hi!
I do not want to enter seccomp flamewar, and that's why I did not
answer to Ingo.
> > Actually random delays are unlike to help (much). You have just added
> > noise, but you can still decode original signal...
>
> You're wrong, the random delays added to every packet will definitely
> wipe out any signal.
Strictly speaking, this is wrong. This is like adding noise into the
room. You have to pick up maximum delay (ammount of noise), and you
clearly can't override signal that's longer than maximum delay. But
you also can't override signal that's half the maximum delay, given
that transmitter will retransmit it 4-or-so times. Just average 4
samples, and your random delays will cancel out.
No, this probably does not apply to seccomp, because we are picking
unintended noise from affected computer.
OTOH I'm pretty sure I could communicate from seccomp process by
sending zeros alone, and I cound communicate from another process on
box running seccomp through your randomizing packetizer to my machine.
Pavel
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-07-13 23:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-06-29 19:21 Adrian Bunk
2006-06-30 0:44 ` Lee Revell
2006-06-30 1:07 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-30 1:40 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-30 4:52 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2006-06-30 9:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-30 14:58 ` andrea
2006-07-11 7:36 ` [patch] " Ingo Molnar
2006-07-11 14:17 ` andrea
2006-07-11 14:32 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-11 15:31 ` andrea
2006-07-11 15:54 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-11 16:13 ` andrea
2006-07-11 16:23 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-11 16:57 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-11 16:25 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-11 16:02 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-11 16:16 ` andrea
2006-07-11 16:24 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-12 15:43 ` Andi Kleen
2006-07-12 21:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-12 22:06 ` Andi Kleen
2006-07-12 22:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-12 22:33 ` Andi Kleen
2006-07-12 22:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-13 3:16 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2006-07-13 11:23 ` Jeff Dike
2006-07-13 11:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-13 3:04 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2006-07-13 3:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-13 4:40 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2006-07-13 4:51 ` andrea
2006-07-13 5:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-13 6:22 ` andrea
2006-07-13 1:51 ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-13 2:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-13 7:44 ` James Bruce
2006-07-13 8:34 ` andrea
2006-07-13 9:18 ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-14 6:09 ` [PATCH] TIF_NOTSC and SECCOMP prctl andrea
2006-07-14 6:27 ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-14 6:33 ` andrea
2006-07-13 12:13 ` [patch] let CONFIG_SECCOMP default to n Andi Kleen
2006-07-12 21:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-12 22:11 ` Andi Kleen
2006-07-11 15:54 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-30 12:39 ` [2.6 patch] " Alan Cox
2006-06-30 2:35 ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-06-30 15:03 ` Lee Revell
2006-07-08 9:23 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2006-07-11 1:59 ` Andrew James Wade
2006-07-11 4:16 ` andrea
2006-07-11 20:19 ` Andrew James Wade
2006-07-12 21:05 ` andrea
2006-07-12 22:02 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-12 23:44 ` andrea
2006-07-13 21:29 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-13 23:11 ` andrea
2006-07-13 23:20 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2006-07-14 0:34 ` andrea
2006-07-15 2:55 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-16 0:51 ` andrea
2006-07-16 1:54 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-16 15:36 ` andrea
2006-07-13 2:56 ` Andrew James Wade
2006-07-12 21:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-13 1:16 ` andrea
2006-07-13 1:37 ` Andrew James Wade
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-06-26 16:26 Adrian Bunk
2006-04-27 20:33 Adrian Bunk
2006-04-18 22:07 Adrian Bunk
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