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From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: zach.brown@oracle.com
Cc: johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/4] kevent: core files.
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:02:26 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060731.180226.131918297.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <44C91192.4090303@oracle.com>

From: Zach Brown <zach.brown@oracle.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:18:42 -0700

[ I kept this thread around in my inbox because I wanted to give it
  some deep thought, so sorry for replying to old bits... ]

> So as the kernel generates events in the ring it only produces an event
> if the ownership field says that userspace has consumed it and in doing
> so it sets the ownership field to tell userspace that an event is
> waiting.  userspace and the kernel now each follow their index around
> the ring as the ownership field lets them produce or consume the event
> at their index.  Can someone tell me if the cache coherence costs of
> this are extreme?  I'm hoping they're not.

No need for an owner field, we can use something like a VJ
netchannel datastructure for this.  Kernel only writes to
producer index and user only writes to consumer index.

> So, great, glibc can now find pending events very quickly if they're
> waiting in the ring and can fall back to the collection syscall if it
> wants to wait and the ring is empty.  If it consumes events via the
> syscall it increases its ring index by the number the syscall returned.

I do not think if we do a ring buffer that events should be obtainable
via a syscall at all.  Rather, I think this system call should be
purely "sleep until ring is not empty".

This is actually reasonably simple stuff to implement as Evgeniy
has tried to explain.

Events in kevent live on a ready list when they have triggered.
Existence on a list determined the state, and I think this design
btw invalidates some of the arguments against using netlink that
Ulrich mentions in his paper.  If netlink socket queuing fails,
well then kevent stays on ready list and that is all until the
kevent can be successfully published to the user.

I am not advocating netlink at all for this, as the ring buffer idea
is much better.

The ring buffer size, as Evgeniy also tried to describe, is bounded
purely by the number of registered events.  So event loop of
application might look something like this:

	struct ukevent cur_event;
	struct timeval timeo;

	setup_timeout(&timeo);
	for (;;) {
		int err;
		while(!(err = ukevent_dequeue(evt_fd, evt_ring,
					      &cur_event, &timeo))) {
			struct my_event_object *o =
				event_to_object(&cur_event);
			o->dispatch(o, &cur_event);
			setup_timeout(&timeo);
		}
		if (err == -ETIMEDOUT)
			timeout_processing();
		else
			event_error_processing(err);
	}

ukevent_dequeue() is perhaps some GLIBC implemented routine which does
something like:

	int err;

	for (;;) {
		if (!evt_ring_empty(evt_ring)) {
			struct ukevent *p = evt_ring_consume(evt_ring);
			memcpy(event_p, p, sizeof(struct ukevent));
			return 0;
		}
		err = kevent_wait(evt_fd, timeo_p);
		if (err < 0)
			break;
	}
	return err;

It's just some stupid ideas... we could also choose to expose the ring
buffer layout directly to the user event loop and let it perform the
dequeue operation and kevent_wait() calls directly.  I don't see why
not to allow that.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-08-01  1:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 160+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-09 13:24 Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-09 14:59 ` Pekka Enberg
2006-07-09 15:08   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-25  6:17 ` David Miller
2006-07-25  6:26   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-27 19:18   ` Zach Brown
2006-07-27 20:06     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-27 21:32       ` Zach Brown
2006-07-28  5:23         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-28 18:33           ` Zach Brown
2006-07-28 18:44             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-28 19:10               ` Zach Brown
2006-07-29  3:38                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-29  4:32                   ` Nicholas Miell
2006-07-29 15:48                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-29 20:54                       ` Nicholas Miell
2006-07-30  8:08                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-29 15:44                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-29 16:18                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-31 10:33                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-31 10:35                         ` Herbert Xu
2006-07-31 10:50                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-31 10:57                             ` David Miller
2006-07-31 10:59                               ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-01  7:53                                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-08-01  7:58                                   ` David Miller
2006-07-31 19:41                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-31 22:00                           ` David Miller
2006-07-31 22:16                             ` Brent Cook
2006-07-31 22:20                               ` David Miller
2006-08-01  6:24                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-31 22:46                         ` Zach Brown
2006-08-01  9:34                         ` [take2 0/4] kevent: introduction Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-01  9:34                           ` [take2 1/4] kevent: core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-01  9:34                             ` [take2 2/4] kevent: network AIO, socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-01  9:34                               ` [take2 4/4] kevent: poll/select() notifications. Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-01  9:34                                 ` [take2 3/4] kevent: AIO, aio_sendfile() implementation Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-01 13:46                             ` [take2 1/4] kevent: core files James Morris
2006-08-01 13:55                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-01 14:27                                 ` James Morris
2006-08-01 14:34                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-01 23:56                             ` Zach Brown
2006-08-02  0:01                               ` David Miller
2006-08-02  6:43                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-02  6:39                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-02  7:25                                 ` David Miller
2006-08-02  7:46                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-03  9:45                         ` [take3 0/4] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-03  9:40                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-03  9:46                           ` [take3 1/4] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-03  9:46                             ` [take3 2/4] kevent: AIO, aio_sendfile() implementation Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-03  9:46                               ` [take3 3/4] kevent: Network AIO, socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-03  9:46                                 ` [take3 4/4] kevent: poll/select() notifications. Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-03  9:43                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2006-08-03  9:48                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-03  9:54                                 ` [take3 3/4] kevent: Network AIO, socket notifications Eric Dumazet
2006-08-03 10:13                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-03 17:04                               ` [take3 2/4] kevent: AIO, aio_sendfile() implementation Badari Pulavarty
2006-08-03 17:13                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-03 14:40                             ` [take3 1/4] kevent: Core files Eric Dumazet
2006-08-03 14:55                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-03 15:11                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-08-03 15:21                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-03 21:37                                 ` David Miller
2006-08-05 13:02                         ` [take4 0/4] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-05 13:02                           ` [take4 1/4] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-05 13:02                             ` [take4 2/4] kevent: AIO, aio_sendfile() implementation Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-05 13:02                               ` [take4 3/4] kevent: Network AIO, socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-05 13:02                                 ` [take4 4/4] kevent: poll/select() notifications. Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-05 17:57                             ` [take4 1/4] kevent: Core files Greg KH
2006-08-05 18:10                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09  8:02                         ` [take6 0/3] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09  7:58                           ` David Miller
2006-08-09  8:07                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09  8:20                               ` David Miller
2006-08-09  8:24                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09  8:02                           ` [take6 1/3] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09  8:02                             ` [take6 3/3] kevent: Network AIO, socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09  8:02                               ` [take6 2/3] kevent: poll/select() notifications. Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09 17:47                             ` [take6 1/3] kevent: Core files Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-09 19:17                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-10  0:04                               ` David Miller
2006-08-09 22:21                             ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-10  6:14                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-10  6:42                                 ` David Miller
2006-08-10  6:48                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-10  7:18                                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-10  7:50                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-10  8:02                                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-10  8:22                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-11  0:56                                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-11  6:15                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-11  6:23                                             ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-11  6:30                                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-11  7:04                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-11  7:27                                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-11  6:25                                             ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-08-11  6:33                                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-11  6:38                                                 ` David Miller
2006-08-11  6:55                                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-10 12:12                               ` [take7 0/1] kevent: generic event handling mechanism Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-10 12:16                                 ` [take7 1/1] kevent: core files and timer/poll notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-10 12:22                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-11  8:40                         ` [take8 0/2] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-11  8:40                           ` [take8 1/2] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-11  8:40                             ` [take8 2/2] kevent: poll/select() notifications. Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-11 15:45                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-12  8:18                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12  8:38                                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-12  8:55                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-13  0:51                             ` [take8 1/2] kevent: Core files Jeff Carr
2006-08-13  9:04                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-14  6:20                         ` [take8 0/2] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-14  6:20                           ` [take8 1/2] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-14  6:20                             ` [take8 2/2] kevent: poll/select() notifications. Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-14  6:21                         ` [take9 0/2] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-14  6:21                           ` [take9 1/2] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-14  6:21                             ` [take9 2/2] kevent: poll/select() notifications. Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-16 13:30                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-16 13:40                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-18 10:41                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-18 10:59                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-21 11:01                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-21 11:26                                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-22 14:35                                 ` Davide Libenzi
2006-08-16 13:45                             ` [take9 1/2] kevent: Core files Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-16 13:56                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-16 18:08                                 ` Zach Brown
2006-08-16 19:24                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-16 19:45                                   ` David Miller
2006-08-16 20:06                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-18 10:46                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-18 11:23                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-21 10:56                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-21 11:13                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-21 12:53                                         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-08-21 13:01                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-21 13:49                                             ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-08-21 19:09                                             ` David Miller
2006-08-16 13:26                           ` [take9 0/2] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-16 13:38                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-16 18:10                               ` Zach Brown
2006-08-16 12:34                         ` [take10 " Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-16 12:34                           ` [take10 1/2] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-16 12:34                             ` [take10 2/2] kevent: poll/select() notifications. Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-16 12:37                             ` [take10 1/2] kevent: Core files Mika Penttilä
2006-08-16 12:44                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-18  9:35                             ` Joe Jin
2006-08-18 10:10                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-01  1:05           ` [RFC 1/4] kevent: core files David Miller
2006-07-27 20:58     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-07-27 21:44       ` Zach Brown
2006-07-27 22:02         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-07-28  5:39           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-28 19:01           ` Zach Brown
2006-07-28 19:24             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-28 19:34               ` Zach Brown
2006-07-28 19:37                 ` Zach Brown
2006-08-01  1:02     ` David Miller [this message]
2006-08-01 17:02       ` Zach Brown

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