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From: Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@in.ibm.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>, Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	ego@in.ibm.com, rusty@rustcorp.com.au,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, arjan@intel.linux.com,
	mingo@elte.hu, vatsa@in.ibm.com, ashok.raj@intel.com
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/4] Redesign cpu_hotplug locking.
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:41:55 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060827061155.GC22565@in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060826150422.a1d492a7.akpm@osdl.org>

On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 03:04:22PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:09:55 -0700 (PDT)
> Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org> wrote:
> 
> > I definitely want to have this fixed, and Gautham's patches look like a 
> > good thing to me, but the "trying to fix up the current mess" part was 
> > really about trying to get 2.6.18 in a mostly working state rather than 
> > anything else. I think it's been too late to try to actually _fix_ it for 
> > 2.6.18 for a long time already.
> > 
> > So my reaction is that this redesign should go in asap after 2.6.18, 
> > unless people feel strongly that the current locking has so many bugs that 
> > people can actually _hit_ in practice that it's better to go for the 
> > redesign early.
> 
> It certainly needs a redesign.  A new sort of lock which makes it appear to
> work won't fix races like:
> 
> int cpufreq_update_policy(unsigned int cpu)
> {
> 	struct cpufreq_policy *data = cpufreq_cpu_get(cpu);
> 
> 	...
> 
> 	lock_cpu_hotplug();
> 

The problem with cpufreq was that it used lock_cpu_hotplug() 
in some common routines because it
was needed in some paths and then also called the same routines
from the CPU hotplug callback path. That is easily fixable and
Gautham's patch 1/4 does exactly that.
One thing I have privately suggested to Gautham is to do an audit
of bad lock_cpu_hotplug() uses.

Now coming to the read-side of lock_cpu_hotplug() - cpu hotplug
is a very special asynchronous event. You cannot protect against
it using your own subsystem lock because you don't control
access to cpu_online_map. With multiple low-level subsystems
needing it, it also becomes difficult to work out the lock
hierarchies. The right way to do this is what Gautham and Ingo
are discussing - a scalable rw semaphore type lock that allows
recursive readers.

> 
> I rather doubt that anyone will be hitting the races in practice.  I'd
> recommend simply removing all the lock_cpu_hotplug() calls for 2.6.18.

I don't think that is a good idea. The right thing to do would be to
do an audit and clean up the bad lock_cpu_hotplug() calls. People
seem to have just got lazy with lock_cpu_hotplug().

Thanks
Dipankar

  reply	other threads:[~2006-08-27  6:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-24 10:26 Gautham R Shenoy
2006-08-24 10:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-08-24 11:27   ` Gautham R Shenoy
2006-08-24 11:24     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-08-24 16:17 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-25  9:50   ` Dave Jones
2006-08-26 21:09     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-08-26 22:04       ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-27  6:11         ` Dipankar Sarma [this message]
2006-08-27  6:46           ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-27  7:11             ` Dipankar Sarma
2006-08-27  7:42               ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-27  8:57                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-08-27 11:06                 ` Dipankar Sarma
2006-08-27 17:21                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-27 17:49                     ` Dipankar Sarma
2006-08-27 18:01                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-27  7:37             ` Dipankar Sarma
2006-08-27  7:57               ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-26 22:05       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-08-26 22:25         ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-28  2:37   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri

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