From: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@linux-foundation.org>
To: "Jan Beulich" <jbeulich@novell.com>
Cc: <bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Module use count must be updated as bridges are created/destroyed
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:48:49 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070927074849.074fdb88@freepuppy.rosehill> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46FB7A7A.76E4.0078.0@novell.com>
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:40:10 +0100
"Jan Beulich" <jbeulich@novell.com> wrote:
> >>> Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@linux-foundation.org> 26.09.07 19:12 >>>
> >On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:08:19 +0100
> >"Jan Beulich" <jbeulich@novell.com> wrote:
> >
> >> >>> Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@linux-foundation.org> 26.09.07 17:37 >>>
> >> >On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:53:27 +0100
> >> >"Jan Beulich" <jbeulich@novell.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Otherwise 'modprobe -r' on a module having a dependency on bridge will
> >> >> implicitly unload bridge, bringing down all connectivity that was
> >> >> using bridges.
> >> >>
> >> >> Signed-off-by: Jan Beulich <jbeulich@novell.com>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >No, network devices don't do reference counting.
> >> >What is the dependency? Where is the source of the module interacting
> >> >with the bridge?
> >>
> >> On a Xen system, I loaded and then unloaded ebtable_broute. The unload
> >> implicitly unloaded bridge, destroying the network. The only way I could see
> >> to avoid the implicit unload was to bump the reference count on bridge
> >> creation. Otherwise I would have to ask why bridge has a zero reference
> >> count despite a bridge being configured.
> >>
> >> Jan
> >
> >Sounds like a module utilities problem since unloading one module doesn't
> >normally unload others.
>
> I have to disagree here - 'modprobe -r' is specifically unloading all modules the
> specified one references as long as they have a use count of zero. The
> difference to other networking modules is that the latter normally don't export
> symbols, and hence don't have dependent modules (and thus cannot be
> subject of implicit unloading). Bridge does have dependents, and hence must
> avoid implicit unloading by managing its use count.
I want keep the behavior that:
modprobe -r bridge
removes all bridges. It is too useful and may already be in some user scripts.
--
Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@linux-foundation.org>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-09-27 14:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-09-26 7:53 Jan Beulich
2007-09-26 15:37 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-09-26 21:06 ` why network devices don't do reference counting? (Re: [PATCH] Module use count must be updated as bridges are created/destroyed) Oleg Verych
2007-09-26 21:06 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-09-26 22:18 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-26 22:33 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-09-26 22:57 ` why network devices don't do reference counting? David Miller
2007-09-27 11:54 ` why network devices don't do reference counting? (Re: [PATCH] Module use count must be updated as bridges are created/destroyed) Helge Hafting
2007-09-27 14:51 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-09-27 14:55 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-27 19:15 ` why network devices don't do reference counting? David Miller
2007-09-27 19:01 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <46FAA013.76E4.0078.0@novell.com>
[not found] ` <20070926101252.3ccbb987@freepuppy.rosehill>
2007-09-27 7:40 ` [PATCH] Module use count must be updated as bridges are created/destroyed Jan Beulich
2007-09-27 14:48 ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2007-09-27 15:05 ` Jan Beulich
2007-09-28 5:37 ` Herbert Xu
2007-09-28 18:11 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-09-29 0:55 ` Herbert Xu
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