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From: Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] ext3: per-process soft-syncing data=ordered mode
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:27:59 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200801260827.59675.a1426z@gawab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080125153634.GG28856@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>

Jan Kara wrote:
> > Greetings!
> >
> > data=ordered mode has proven reliable over the years, and it does this
> > by ordering filedata flushes before metadata flushes.  But this
> > sometimes causes contention in the order of a 10x slowdown for certain
> > apps, either due to the misuse of fsync or due to inherent behaviour
> > like db's, as well as inherent starvation issues exposed by the
> > data=ordered mode.
> >
> > data=writeback mode alleviates data=order mode slowdowns, but only works
> > per-mount and is too dangerous to run as a default mode.
> >
> > This RFC proposes to introduce a tunable which allows to disable fsync
> > and changes ordered into writeback writeout on a per-process basis like
> > this:
> >
> >       echo 1 > /proc/`pidof process`/softsync
>
>   I guess disabling fsync() was already commented on enough. Regarding
> switching to writeback mode on per-process basis - not easily possible
> because sometimes data is not written out by the process which stored
> them (think of mmaped file).

Do you mean there is a locking problem?

> And in case of DB, they use direct-io
> anyway most of the time so they don't care about journaling mode anyway.

Testing with sqlite3 and mysql4 shows that performance drastically improves 
with writeback writeout.

>  But as Diego wrote, there is definitely some room for improvement in
> current data=ordered mode so the difference shouldn't be as big in the
> end.

Yes, it would be nice to get to the bottom of this starvation problem, but 
even then, the proposed tunable remains useful for misbehaving apps.


Thanks!

--
Al


  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-26  5:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-24 20:36 Al Boldi
2008-01-24 21:50 ` Diego Calleja
2008-01-26  5:27   ` Al Boldi
2008-01-28 17:34     ` Jan Kara
2008-01-24 21:58 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-01-26  5:27   ` Al Boldi
2008-01-25  1:19 ` Chris Snook
2008-01-26  5:28   ` Al Boldi
2008-01-29 17:22     ` Jan Kara
2008-01-30  6:04       ` Al Boldi
2008-01-30 14:29         ` Chris Mason
2008-01-30 18:39           ` Al Boldi
2008-01-31  0:32           ` Andreas Dilger
2008-01-31  6:20             ` Al Boldi
2008-01-31 16:56               ` Chris Mason
2008-01-31 17:10                 ` Jan Kara
2008-01-31 17:14                   ` Chris Mason
2008-02-01 21:26                     ` Al Boldi
2008-02-04 17:54                       ` Jan Kara
2008-02-05  7:07                         ` Al Boldi
2008-02-05 15:07                           ` Jan Kara
2008-02-05 19:20                             ` Al Boldi
2008-01-25  6:47 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-01-25 21:57   ` david
2008-01-25 15:36 ` Jan Kara
2008-01-26  5:27   ` Al Boldi [this message]
2008-01-28 17:27     ` Jan Kara
2008-01-28 20:17       ` Al Boldi
2008-02-07  0:00     ` Andreas Dilger
2008-02-10 14:54       ` Al Boldi

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