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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
To: sverre@rabbelier.nl
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>,
	david@lang.hm, Stephen Clark <sclark46@earthlink.net>,
	Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Tilman Schmidt <tilman@imap.cc>,
	Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	jesper.juhl@gmail.com, yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org, jeff@garzik.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com>
Subject: Re: Reporting bugs and bisection
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:16:06 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080416201606.GS1677@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bd6139dc0804161239h17e79c70ta5e938619e5743c9@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 09:39:41PM +0200, Sverre Rabbelier wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org> wrote:
>...
> >  E.g. if you look at commit f743d04dcfbeda7439b78802d35305781999aa11
> >  (ide/legacy/q40ide.c: add MODULE_LICENSE), how could you determine
> >  automatically that it is a bugfix, and the commit that introduced
> >  the bug?
> 
> Well, a dead giveaway would be:
> "http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10124"

Which could be "There is no driver for my TV card in the kernel."

> >  You can always get some data, but if you want to get usable statistics
> >  you need explicit tags in the commits, not some algorithm that tries
> >  to guess.
> 
> As said above, I don't agree, you can 'guess' very reliably on a large
> dataset. Also, most commits are already 'tagged' in some way or
> another. The trick is to find the pattern in this tagging and use it.
> 
> I hope this clears things up a bit,

I hope you are aware of the non-technical implications if the results 
don't match reality?

E.g. I am proud that my commits do virtually never introduce bugs, so 
any results someone publishes about what I do should better be right
or my first thoughts are somewhere between "fist" and "lawyer". [1]

> Cheers,
> 
> Sverre Rabbelier

cu
Adrian

[1] my actual reaction might only be an angry email, but I hope you
    get the point that wrong results can really piss off people

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed


  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-16 20:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-08 23:02 [Bug #10391] 2.6.25-rc7/8: Another resume regression Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-09  4:49 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-09  4:56 ` 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors Mark Lord
2008-04-09 13:37   ` Mark Lord
2008-04-09 14:06     ` Regression: " Mark Lord
2008-04-09 16:46     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-09 17:16       ` Mark Lord
2008-04-09 17:27         ` Regression: " Mark Lord
2008-04-09 17:30         ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2008-04-09 19:05           ` Mark Lord
2008-04-09 19:08             ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-09 22:29             ` David Miller
2008-04-10  0:02               ` Mark Lord
2008-04-10  0:37                 ` Harvey Harrison
2008-04-10 13:52                   ` Gerhard Mack
2008-04-10 15:15                     ` Mark Lord
2008-04-10 15:58                       ` Gerhard Mack
2008-04-10  1:22                 ` David Miller
2008-04-10 15:07                   ` Mark Lord
2008-04-10 15:20                   ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-10 22:09                     ` Jesper Juhl
2008-04-10 22:46                       ` David Miller
2008-04-10 22:52                         ` Charlie Brady
2008-04-10 23:02                         ` Jesper Juhl
2008-04-10 23:05                           ` David Miller
2008-04-10 23:10                         ` vincent-perrier
2008-04-10 23:14                           ` David Miller
2008-04-10 23:32                             ` vincent-perrier
2008-04-10 23:41                               ` David Miller
2008-04-10 23:51                                 ` vincent-perrier
2008-04-10 23:39                           ` Jesper Juhl
2008-04-11  0:16                         ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11  0:24                           ` David Miller
2008-04-11  0:27                             ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11  0:39                               ` David Miller
2008-04-11  1:23                                 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11  6:40                                   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-11 13:19                                     ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11 14:35                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-11 14:59                                         ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11 15:18                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-11 18:07                                             ` David Miller
2008-04-11 21:29                                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-12  8:44                                               ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-12  9:49                                                 ` David Miller
2008-04-13 18:15                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 18:51                                                     ` Sergio Luis
2008-04-13 19:24                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-11 19:58                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-04-11 22:16                                         ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-11 22:25                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-11 22:27                                             ` David Miller
2008-04-11 23:23                                             ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-12  5:37                                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-12  7:06                                               ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-11 22:26                                           ` David Miller
2008-04-11 19:58                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-04-11 22:27                                     ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-13 18:40                                       ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 18:47                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-13 19:18                                           ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-13 19:27                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 19:47                                             ` Reporting bugs and bisection David Miller
2008-04-13 20:21                                             ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-13 20:33                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 20:54                                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-13 22:24                                                   ` Reporting bugs and bisection Stephen Clark
2008-04-13 22:41                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 23:51                                                     ` david
2008-04-14  0:36                                                       ` Jakub Narebski
2008-04-14  4:39                                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-14  5:39                                                         ` Al Viro
2008-04-14  6:24                                                           ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14  6:39                                                             ` David Miller
2008-04-14  6:43                                                               ` David Miller
2008-04-14  7:23                                                             ` Al Viro
2008-04-14  7:43                                                               ` Al Viro
2008-04-14  8:04                                                               ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14  8:30                                                                 ` David Miller
2008-04-14  9:06                                                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-14  9:46                                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15  5:25                                                                     ` Bill Fink
2008-04-14 10:15                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 10:41                                                                     ` David Miller
2008-04-14 17:35                                                                       ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-04-14 12:08                                                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-14 14:43                                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 17:51                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 18:24                                                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 19:30                                                                     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-14 15:54                                                               ` James Morris
2008-04-14 22:01                                                                 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 23:05                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-15  4:55                                                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-15 13:18                                                                       ` Work WAS(Re: " jamal
2008-04-15  9:33                                                                 ` David Newall
2008-04-15  9:54                                                                   ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-04-15 14:04                                                                     ` David Newall
2008-04-15 20:51                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-16  2:34                                                                         ` David Newall
2008-04-16  3:53                                                                           ` david
2008-04-16  9:06                                                                             ` David Newall
2008-04-16 11:02                                                                               ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-16 12:41                                                                             ` Stephen Clark
2008-04-16  4:29                                                                           ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-16 12:13                                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-16 12:15                                                                   ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 13:26                                                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 19:02                                                                       ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-16 19:43                                                                         ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 19:55                                                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-17 13:50                                                                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-04-17 15:26                                                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 19:58                                                                         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-04-16 20:01                                                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-16 19:39                                                                       ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 20:16                                                                         ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2008-04-16 20:53                                                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 21:05                                                                             ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 21:25                                                                               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 20:04                                                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-16 20:55                                                                         ` Jakub Narebski
2008-04-16 21:17                                                                     ` Jesper Juhl
2008-04-17 17:04                                                                       ` David Newall
2008-04-17 19:09                                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-17 19:35                                                                           ` Ray Lee
2008-04-17 19:57                                                                             ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-17 20:16                                                                             ` Al Viro
2008-04-17 20:38                                                                               ` Ray Lee
2008-04-17 20:53                                                                                 ` Al Viro
2008-04-17 21:01                                                                                   ` Ray Lee
2008-04-14 19:13                                                             ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14 20:38                                                               ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 22:18                                                                 ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14  9:26                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-13 20:35                                               ` David Miller
2008-04-14 10:18                                             ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Ingo Molnar
2008-04-14 10:29                                               ` Reporting bugs and bisection Andi Kleen
2008-04-13 20:10                                           ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Adrian Bunk
2008-04-14  9:58                                           ` Reporting bugs and bisection Andi Kleen
2008-04-14 10:00                                             ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-14 10:16                                               ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15 21:53                                 ` about bisections (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Ingo Molnar
2008-04-15 22:30                                   ` about bisections David Miller
2008-04-15 22:48                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-11  0:56                             ` 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-11  1:08                               ` David Miller
2008-04-11  0:26                           ` David Miller
2008-04-11  0:29                             ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11  2:59                               ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2008-04-11  3:18                                 ` [PATCH 2.6.25] net sockets: fix timewait namespace regression Mark Lord
2008-04-11  3:51                                   ` David Miller
2008-04-11  7:50                                 ` 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors Pavel Emelyanov
2008-04-10 20:46                 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-10 21:05                   ` Mark Lord
2008-04-10 21:43                     ` Ilpo Järvinen

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