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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
To: sverre@rabbelier.nl
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>,
	david@lang.hm, Stephen Clark <sclark46@earthlink.net>,
	Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Tilman Schmidt <tilman@imap.cc>,
	Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	jesper.juhl@gmail.com, yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org, jeff@garzik.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com>
Subject: Re: Reporting bugs and bisection
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:25:54 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080416212554.GV1677@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bd6139dc0804161405j28470914u488568b565b68a0b@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 11:05:17PM +0200, Sverre Rabbelier wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:53 PM, Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org> wrote:
> >  To avoid any misunderstandings:
> >
> >  This is not in any way meant against you personally.
> 
> Thanks for pointing it out, I wasn't quite sure, but assumed that :).

Sorry, I was a bit overreacting since I see too often people putting 
some data into some statistics or graph and drawing conclusins without 
paying attention to whether their data allows these conclusions at all.

> >  But saying things like " X% of your commits introduced bugs" is not a
> >  friendly thing, and wrong data could be quite hurting.
> 
> Yes, it could be, and I agree that conclusions shouldn't be based on
> the details, but on the bigger picture. Also, I think it should (at
> first) be used mainly as an indicator, of where attention might be
> required. I mean, if it points out that one contributor almost always
> commits buggy code,

I would assume that in all projects the main maintainers already have an 
impression of how good the quality of the patches of each main 
contributor is.

In much more complex ways than a number could express.

> you don't have to present them with those
> statistics right away. Instead you can ask the program where it bases
> it's conclusions on, and research them yourself.

Sooner or later someone will run the program for the Linux kernel, 
write a paper about the results, and publish his research somewhere.

>...
> Cheers,
> 
> Sverre Rabbelier

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed


  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-16 21:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-08 23:02 [Bug #10391] 2.6.25-rc7/8: Another resume regression Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-09  4:49 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-09  4:56 ` 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors Mark Lord
2008-04-09 13:37   ` Mark Lord
2008-04-09 14:06     ` Regression: " Mark Lord
2008-04-09 16:46     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-09 17:16       ` Mark Lord
2008-04-09 17:27         ` Regression: " Mark Lord
2008-04-09 17:30         ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2008-04-09 19:05           ` Mark Lord
2008-04-09 19:08             ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-09 22:29             ` David Miller
2008-04-10  0:02               ` Mark Lord
2008-04-10  0:37                 ` Harvey Harrison
2008-04-10 13:52                   ` Gerhard Mack
2008-04-10 15:15                     ` Mark Lord
2008-04-10 15:58                       ` Gerhard Mack
2008-04-10  1:22                 ` David Miller
2008-04-10 15:07                   ` Mark Lord
2008-04-10 15:20                   ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-10 22:09                     ` Jesper Juhl
2008-04-10 22:46                       ` David Miller
2008-04-10 22:52                         ` Charlie Brady
2008-04-10 23:02                         ` Jesper Juhl
2008-04-10 23:05                           ` David Miller
2008-04-10 23:10                         ` vincent-perrier
2008-04-10 23:14                           ` David Miller
2008-04-10 23:32                             ` vincent-perrier
2008-04-10 23:41                               ` David Miller
2008-04-10 23:51                                 ` vincent-perrier
2008-04-10 23:39                           ` Jesper Juhl
2008-04-11  0:16                         ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11  0:24                           ` David Miller
2008-04-11  0:27                             ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11  0:39                               ` David Miller
2008-04-11  1:23                                 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11  6:40                                   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-11 13:19                                     ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11 14:35                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-11 14:59                                         ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11 15:18                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-11 18:07                                             ` David Miller
2008-04-11 21:29                                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-12  8:44                                               ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-12  9:49                                                 ` David Miller
2008-04-13 18:15                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 18:51                                                     ` Sergio Luis
2008-04-13 19:24                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-11 19:58                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-04-11 22:16                                         ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-11 22:25                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-11 22:27                                             ` David Miller
2008-04-11 23:23                                             ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-12  5:37                                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-12  7:06                                               ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-11 22:26                                           ` David Miller
2008-04-11 19:58                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-04-11 22:27                                     ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-13 18:40                                       ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 18:47                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-13 19:18                                           ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-13 19:27                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 19:47                                             ` Reporting bugs and bisection David Miller
2008-04-13 20:21                                             ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-13 20:33                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 20:54                                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-13 22:24                                                   ` Reporting bugs and bisection Stephen Clark
2008-04-13 22:41                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 23:51                                                     ` david
2008-04-14  0:36                                                       ` Jakub Narebski
2008-04-14  4:39                                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-14  5:39                                                         ` Al Viro
2008-04-14  6:24                                                           ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14  6:39                                                             ` David Miller
2008-04-14  6:43                                                               ` David Miller
2008-04-14  7:23                                                             ` Al Viro
2008-04-14  7:43                                                               ` Al Viro
2008-04-14  8:04                                                               ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14  8:30                                                                 ` David Miller
2008-04-14  9:06                                                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-14  9:46                                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15  5:25                                                                     ` Bill Fink
2008-04-14 10:15                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 10:41                                                                     ` David Miller
2008-04-14 17:35                                                                       ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-04-14 12:08                                                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-14 14:43                                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 17:51                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 18:24                                                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 19:30                                                                     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-14 15:54                                                               ` James Morris
2008-04-14 22:01                                                                 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 23:05                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-15  4:55                                                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-15 13:18                                                                       ` Work WAS(Re: " jamal
2008-04-15  9:33                                                                 ` David Newall
2008-04-15  9:54                                                                   ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-04-15 14:04                                                                     ` David Newall
2008-04-15 20:51                                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-16  2:34                                                                         ` David Newall
2008-04-16  3:53                                                                           ` david
2008-04-16  9:06                                                                             ` David Newall
2008-04-16 11:02                                                                               ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-16 12:41                                                                             ` Stephen Clark
2008-04-16  4:29                                                                           ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-16 12:13                                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-16 12:15                                                                   ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 13:26                                                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 19:02                                                                       ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-16 19:43                                                                         ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 19:55                                                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-17 13:50                                                                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-04-17 15:26                                                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 19:58                                                                         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-04-16 20:01                                                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-16 19:39                                                                       ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 20:16                                                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 20:53                                                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 21:05                                                                             ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 21:25                                                                               ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2008-04-16 20:04                                                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-16 20:55                                                                         ` Jakub Narebski
2008-04-16 21:17                                                                     ` Jesper Juhl
2008-04-17 17:04                                                                       ` David Newall
2008-04-17 19:09                                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-17 19:35                                                                           ` Ray Lee
2008-04-17 19:57                                                                             ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-17 20:16                                                                             ` Al Viro
2008-04-17 20:38                                                                               ` Ray Lee
2008-04-17 20:53                                                                                 ` Al Viro
2008-04-17 21:01                                                                                   ` Ray Lee
2008-04-14 19:13                                                             ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14 20:38                                                               ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 22:18                                                                 ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14  9:26                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-13 20:35                                               ` David Miller
2008-04-14 10:18                                             ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Ingo Molnar
2008-04-14 10:29                                               ` Reporting bugs and bisection Andi Kleen
2008-04-13 20:10                                           ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Adrian Bunk
2008-04-14  9:58                                           ` Reporting bugs and bisection Andi Kleen
2008-04-14 10:00                                             ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-14 10:16                                               ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15 21:53                                 ` about bisections (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Ingo Molnar
2008-04-15 22:30                                   ` about bisections David Miller
2008-04-15 22:48                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-11  0:56                             ` 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-11  1:08                               ` David Miller
2008-04-11  0:26                           ` David Miller
2008-04-11  0:29                             ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11  2:59                               ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2008-04-11  3:18                                 ` [PATCH 2.6.25] net sockets: fix timewait namespace regression Mark Lord
2008-04-11  3:51                                   ` David Miller
2008-04-11  7:50                                 ` 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors Pavel Emelyanov
2008-04-10 20:46                 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-10 21:05                   ` Mark Lord
2008-04-10 21:43                     ` Ilpo Järvinen

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