From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Cc: rene.herman@keyaccess.nl, david@lang.hm, arjan@infradead.org,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, dwmw2@infradead.org,
alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [GIT *] Allow request_firmware() to be satisfied from in-kernel, use it in more drivers.
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:45:57 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080714.194557.78177585.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0807141934060.3017@woody.linux-foundation.org>
From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:39:03 -0700 (PDT)
> Put this way: if you do a distro, you _need_ to support firmware loading
> anyway. And once you do that, it's just annoying how some drivers then do
> something odd and special for the same thing, for no real good reason.
In what way is it annoying?
Most distribution people aren't even aware that drivers like tg3 and
bnx2 even have firmware. In fact it's self contained and less for
them to worry about.
The correct firmware is right there in the driver, it's what the
driver maintainer tested as a unit, and everything.
It neither gets in the distro guys way nor causes any functional
problems.
It may cause potential legal issues, but that is another matter.
> It's like having each wireless driver do their own 802.11 stack. It works,
> and all those driver writers seem to be always convinced that it's the
> right thing to do. But as a network maintainer, do you like it?
>
> Now, replace "802.11 stack" with "firmware loader", and then replace
> "network maintainer" with "kernel maintainer".
Distro folks do ship external drivers that have their own 802.11
stack, so this is a very good example in fact :-)
I think the modular vs. static kernel image is a better analogy.
At least with that I have a real choice, with this stuff I suddently
won't.
Regardless of what you or I think about these changes, the fact is
that there were definitely some areas of contention and even some
level of misrepresentation of these changes. And given that, some
of us feel that merging this in right now was on the premature side.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-07-15 2:46 UTC|newest]
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2008-07-14 23:23 David Woodhouse
2008-07-14 23:41 ` Andrew Morton
2008-07-14 23:47 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-14 23:53 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-07-15 0:23 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 0:31 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-07-15 0:50 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 1:08 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-07-15 7:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-15 0:50 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-07-15 0:52 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 0:53 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-07-15 1:13 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 20:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-07-15 20:49 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 20:57 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 23:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-07-16 7:01 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-16 21:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-07-16 22:42 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-17 20:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-07-17 21:25 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-17 22:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-07-18 4:15 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-14 23:59 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-15 0:06 ` david
2008-07-15 0:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 0:51 ` david
2008-07-15 1:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 1:18 ` david
2008-07-15 2:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 2:47 ` david
2008-07-15 7:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 15:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 17:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 17:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 17:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 17:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 17:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 18:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 18:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 18:33 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 18:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 18:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 18:30 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 20:00 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 20:06 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 20:30 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 21:24 ` david
2008-07-15 18:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 18:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 19:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 19:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 18:58 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-15 19:14 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 19:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 19:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 21:14 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 21:24 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 21:47 ` David Miller
2008-07-15 22:42 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 22:45 ` David Miller
2008-07-15 23:05 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 21:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 21:39 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 22:12 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 22:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-16 0:55 ` Sven-Haegar Koch
2008-07-16 8:02 ` Gabor Gombas
2008-07-16 4:55 ` Rene Herman
2008-07-15 19:27 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 1:52 ` David Miller
2008-07-15 2:23 ` Rene Herman
2008-07-15 2:24 ` David Miller
2008-07-15 2:32 ` Rene Herman
2008-07-15 2:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 2:45 ` David Miller [this message]
2008-07-15 4:56 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-15 5:09 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 5:45 ` david
2008-07-15 6:03 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 6:23 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-07-15 14:40 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 16:52 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-07-15 18:09 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 5:32 ` Rene Herman
2008-07-15 3:06 ` Rene Herman
2008-07-15 23:33 ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-07-15 5:15 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-07-15 5:30 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 1:50 ` David Miller
2008-07-15 2:54 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 5:34 ` david
2008-07-15 0:36 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 0:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 0:44 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 5:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-07-15 2:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 2:17 ` David Miller
2008-07-15 2:23 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 2:52 ` david
2008-07-15 4:45 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-15 1:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 2:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 2:19 ` David Miller
2008-07-15 2:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 2:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 2:40 ` David Miller
2008-07-15 2:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 3:05 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 4:58 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-15 14:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 15:09 ` david
2008-07-15 16:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 16:21 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 17:56 ` david
2008-07-15 17:35 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-15 17:44 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 3:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 3:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 5:06 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-15 5:32 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 5:36 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-15 5:37 ` david
2008-07-16 0:10 ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-07-16 0:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 7:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 7:36 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 8:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 15:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 16:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 17:16 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 17:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 17:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 8:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-15 8:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-15 12:42 ` Alan Cox
2008-07-17 21:31 ` David Miller
2008-07-15 2:48 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 5:12 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-15 15:57 ` Frans Pop
2008-07-15 16:04 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-15 16:24 ` Frans Pop
2008-07-15 16:36 ` Frans Pop
2008-07-15 17:33 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-15 17:57 ` Frans Pop
2008-07-15 16:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 16:33 ` david
2008-07-15 16:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 17:25 ` Frans Pop
2008-07-15 17:36 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 19:22 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 16:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 16:48 ` Frans Pop
2008-07-15 17:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 19:26 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 16:37 ` Frans Pop
2008-07-15 18:05 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-07-15 18:14 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 18:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 18:37 ` Chris Friesen
2008-07-15 18:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 19:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 19:41 ` david
2008-07-15 19:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 20:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 20:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 23:02 ` Dave Jones
2008-07-15 23:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-16 0:00 ` Dave Jones
2008-07-16 0:10 ` Chris Adams
2008-07-16 6:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 19:07 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 19:29 ` Peter T. Breuer
2008-07-15 18:20 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 19:13 ` Frans Pop
2008-07-15 19:39 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 19:20 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 19:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 19:31 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 19:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 19:44 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 22:19 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-07-15 19:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 19:36 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 19:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 19:54 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 20:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 20:21 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 20:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 20:33 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 21:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 20:26 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 20:47 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-15 21:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-16 22:05 ` Diego Calleja
2008-07-15 21:27 ` david
2008-07-15 21:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 21:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 22:20 ` Frans Pop
2008-07-15 22:24 ` david
2008-07-15 22:26 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 22:50 ` david
2008-07-15 23:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-16 0:22 ` Frans Pop
2008-07-16 0:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-16 0:43 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-16 1:11 ` Prosaic firmware issues Alexey Dobriyan
2008-07-16 1:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-16 5:54 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-16 14:19 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-07-16 4:42 ` [GIT *] Allow request_firmware() to be satisfied from in-kernel, use it in more drivers Willy Tarreau
2008-09-12 20:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-09-12 21:43 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-16 0:51 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-16 1:36 ` Dave Jones
2008-07-16 2:39 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-16 3:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-16 9:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-15 19:57 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 20:10 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 20:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 20:25 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 23:04 ` Dave Jones
2008-07-15 1:44 ` David Miller
2008-07-15 9:57 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 1:45 ` Jeff Garzik
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