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From: Chris Adams <cmadams@hiwaay.net>
To: David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com>
Cc: Robert Hancock <hancockr@shaw.ca>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linasvepstas@gmail.com,
	"Jeffrey J. Kosowsky" <jeff@kosowsky.org>,
	MentalMooMan <slashdot@jameshallam.info>,
	Travis Crump <pretzalz@techhouse.org>,
	Goodgerster <goodgerster@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Bug: Status/Summary of slashdot leap-second crash on new years 2008-2009
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 01:00:22 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090103070022.GC1538533@hiwaay.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <495F0672.6020708@davidnewall.com>

Once upon a time, David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com> said:
> I don't understand this idea, nor the patch for the problem.  I don't
> see why adding a leap second would impact the kernel in any way. 
> Shouldn't this be a simple zoneinfo change, whereby the last two seconds
> of the year (in each timezone) both map to 31dec2008 23:59:59?  That's
> the way the change has worked in the real world.  Why would ntp or the
> kernel be involved?

The leap second isn't a simple thing like a time zone.  Zones account
for an offset from UTC, but a leap second is an extra second inserted
into (or possibly removed from) UTC itself.  There was actually a 61
second minute on Dec. 31.  The trouble comes in keeping the "seconds
since the epoch" counter sane, meaning (seconds % 86400) == 0 at
00:00:00 UTC.  Since there were 86401 seconds Dec. 31, the kernel had to
tick the last second twice to keep correct UTC time.

NTP is used to distribute and synchronize time information, including
leap second info.

See Wikipedia and Google for more information.
-- 
Chris Adams <cmadams@hiwaay.net>
Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-01-03  7:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-02 19:25 Linas Vepstas
2009-01-02 20:04 ` Diego Calleja
2009-01-02 20:25   ` Robert Hancock
2009-01-03  6:32     ` David Newall
2009-01-03  6:37       ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-04  8:43         ` David Newall
2009-01-04  9:00           ` Kyle Moffett
2009-01-04 10:03             ` David Newall
2009-01-04 11:13               ` david
2009-01-04 23:15                 ` David Newall
2009-01-04 23:25                   ` Chris Adams
2009-01-05  0:01                     ` David Newall
2009-01-05  0:41                       ` Alan Cox
2009-01-05  8:43                         ` David Newall
2009-01-05 19:47                           ` Alan Cox
2009-01-05  0:29                   ` david
2009-01-04 23:37                     ` David Newall
2009-01-05  1:05                       ` david
2009-01-05  0:14                         ` David Newall
2009-01-05  0:21                           ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-05  6:34                             ` David Newall
2009-01-05 23:03                               ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-05  0:44                         ` Alan Cox
2009-01-05  5:48                       ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-05 14:33                         ` Nick Andrew
2009-01-05 16:08                           ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-05 17:51                             ` david
2009-01-05 17:42                               ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-06  2:27                                 ` john stultz-lkml
2009-01-06  4:53                                   ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-06  5:00                                     ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-06 19:40                                     ` [ntpwg] " M. Warner Losh
2009-01-06 19:50                                 ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-07  3:50                                 ` Danny Mayer
2009-01-07  4:52                                   ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-07 10:03                                     ` David Newall
2009-01-07 17:24                                       ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-08 16:51                                         ` Magnus Danielson
2009-01-07 14:34                                     ` Danny Mayer
2009-01-07 15:42                                       ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-07 19:23                                         ` Danny Mayer
2009-01-07 16:04                                       ` john stultz
2009-01-07 17:36                                     ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-07 17:39                                   ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-07 19:31                                     ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 19:42                                       ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-08  3:57                                       ` Danny Mayer
2009-01-08  4:42                                         ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-08 10:48                                           ` Alan Cox
2009-01-08 10:56                                             ` Alan Cox
2009-01-08 22:22                                               ` David Mills
2009-01-08 15:02                                             ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-08 18:57                                               ` Marshall Eubanks
2009-01-08 20:09                                     ` Steve Allen
2009-01-12 16:11                                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-12 17:07                                   ` [ntpwg] " M. Warner Losh
2009-01-12 21:45                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-06  2:31                             ` Nick Andrew
2009-01-06  1:59                           ` David Newall
2009-01-06  2:18                             ` Chris Adams
2009-01-06  2:51                             ` Nick Andrew
2009-01-06  9:40                               ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07  1:17                                 ` Nick Andrew
2009-01-07  9:37                                   ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07  9:46                                 ` David Newall
2009-01-07  9:54                                   ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 10:18                                     ` David Newall
2009-01-07 10:52                                       ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 13:45                                         ` David Newall
2009-01-07 14:10                                           ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 14:36                                             ` David Newall
2009-01-07 15:40                                               ` Alan Cox
2009-01-10  9:46                                                 ` David Newall
2009-01-07 22:13                                               ` Chris Adams
2009-01-07 13:33                                       ` Chris Adams
2009-01-07 13:37                                         ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 14:12                                           ` David Newall
2009-01-07 14:09                                         ` David Newall
2009-01-07 21:42                                           ` Chris Adams
2009-01-04 11:35               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-05  0:08                 ` David Newall
2009-01-06  3:53                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-04 17:20               ` Kyle Moffett
2009-01-03  7:00       ` Chris Adams [this message]
2009-01-04  8:41         ` David Newall
2009-01-02 20:29   ` Linas Vepstas
     [not found] ` <8752a8760901021328t545a0327v58faebe1e921680a@mail.gmail.com>
2009-01-02 21:29   ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-03  0:21 ` Chris Adams
2009-01-03  2:23   ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03  3:45     ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-03  4:41     ` [PATCH] " Chris Adams
2009-01-03  4:52       ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03 18:01         ` [PATCH] v2 " Chris Adams
2009-01-03 19:04           ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03 20:01           ` Linas Vepstas
2009-06-08  2:18           ` Ben Hutchings
2009-06-18 22:34             ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-18 22:58               ` Ben Hutchings
2009-06-18 23:48                 ` Chris Friesen
2009-01-06  2:21   ` john stultz-lkml
2009-01-06  2:25     ` Chris Adams
2009-01-06  4:35     ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-03  3:49 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-03  4:02   ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-03  4:46     ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03  4:50       ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-03 22:58   ` Jeffrey J. Kosowsky
     [not found] <fa.dw2l5ZM+UL3xoF6IYh5RLMmbYfw@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.XOM1F85uBvmj4QzZKaDu36nYBk0@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.rviZJBmVqkAE5uxDjhJOpIuKT4g@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]     ` <fa.OPVERUiJ763jH2/QynTxgBgoKYw@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]       ` <fa.v3FUjJ43bw2G7KiZGaxqL3tD4xo@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]         ` <fa.BrNhgY8S+TEOLMiPd27M7YHo9bI@ifi.uio.no>
2009-01-04 16:15           ` Sitsofe Wheeler
2009-01-04 17:26             ` Kyle Moffett

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