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From: Chris Adams <cmadams@hiwaay.net>
To: David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Bug: Status/Summary of slashdot leap-second crash on new years 2008-2009
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 20:18:28 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090106021828.GA1099402@hiwaay.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4962BB13.7060304@davidnewall.com>

Once upon a time, David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com> said:
> We have this already; zoneinfo

How many times: zoneinfo is for offset from UTC, not changes in UTC.

> I haven't been able to find this Annex B that Alan talked of, so I can
> only go by the man page, which states, simply and explicitly, that
> time() returns seconds since Epoch, and also that Epoch is start of
> January 1 1970.  To my mind, time *does* recognise leap seconds.

Part of the rationale for SUSv3 (aka 1003.1-2001), xbd_chap04.html in my
copy:

   The topic of whether seconds since the Epoch should account for leap
   seconds has been debated on a number of occasions, and each time
   consensus was reached (with acknowledged dissent each time) that the
   majority of users are best served by treating all days identically.
   (That is, the majority of applications were judged to assume a single
   length-as measured in seconds since the Epoch-for all days. Thus,
   leap seconds are not applied to seconds since the Epoch.) Those
   applications which do care about leap seconds can determine how to
   handle them in whatever way those applications feel is best.  This
   was particularly emphasized because there was disagreement about what
   the best way of handling leap seconds might be. It is a practical
   impossibility to mandate that a conforming implementation must have a
   fixed relationship to any particular official clock (consider
   isolated systems, or systems performing "reruns" by setting the clock
   to some arbitrary time).

Now, you are wrong, the standard says so, please take this somewhere
else and stop CCing me.

-- 
Chris Adams <cmadams@hiwaay.net>
Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-06  2:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-02 19:25 Linas Vepstas
2009-01-02 20:04 ` Diego Calleja
2009-01-02 20:25   ` Robert Hancock
2009-01-03  6:32     ` David Newall
2009-01-03  6:37       ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-04  8:43         ` David Newall
2009-01-04  9:00           ` Kyle Moffett
2009-01-04 10:03             ` David Newall
2009-01-04 11:13               ` david
2009-01-04 23:15                 ` David Newall
2009-01-04 23:25                   ` Chris Adams
2009-01-05  0:01                     ` David Newall
2009-01-05  0:41                       ` Alan Cox
2009-01-05  8:43                         ` David Newall
2009-01-05 19:47                           ` Alan Cox
2009-01-05  0:29                   ` david
2009-01-04 23:37                     ` David Newall
2009-01-05  1:05                       ` david
2009-01-05  0:14                         ` David Newall
2009-01-05  0:21                           ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-05  6:34                             ` David Newall
2009-01-05 23:03                               ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-05  0:44                         ` Alan Cox
2009-01-05  5:48                       ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-05 14:33                         ` Nick Andrew
2009-01-05 16:08                           ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-05 17:51                             ` david
2009-01-05 17:42                               ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-06  2:27                                 ` john stultz-lkml
2009-01-06  4:53                                   ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-06  5:00                                     ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-06 19:40                                     ` [ntpwg] " M. Warner Losh
2009-01-06 19:50                                 ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-07  3:50                                 ` Danny Mayer
2009-01-07  4:52                                   ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-07 10:03                                     ` David Newall
2009-01-07 17:24                                       ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-08 16:51                                         ` Magnus Danielson
2009-01-07 14:34                                     ` Danny Mayer
2009-01-07 15:42                                       ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-07 19:23                                         ` Danny Mayer
2009-01-07 16:04                                       ` john stultz
2009-01-07 17:36                                     ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-07 17:39                                   ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-07 19:31                                     ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 19:42                                       ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-08  3:57                                       ` Danny Mayer
2009-01-08  4:42                                         ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-08 10:48                                           ` Alan Cox
2009-01-08 10:56                                             ` Alan Cox
2009-01-08 22:22                                               ` David Mills
2009-01-08 15:02                                             ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-08 18:57                                               ` Marshall Eubanks
2009-01-08 20:09                                     ` Steve Allen
2009-01-12 16:11                                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-12 17:07                                   ` [ntpwg] " M. Warner Losh
2009-01-12 21:45                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-06  2:31                             ` Nick Andrew
2009-01-06  1:59                           ` David Newall
2009-01-06  2:18                             ` Chris Adams [this message]
2009-01-06  2:51                             ` Nick Andrew
2009-01-06  9:40                               ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07  1:17                                 ` Nick Andrew
2009-01-07  9:37                                   ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07  9:46                                 ` David Newall
2009-01-07  9:54                                   ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 10:18                                     ` David Newall
2009-01-07 10:52                                       ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 13:45                                         ` David Newall
2009-01-07 14:10                                           ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 14:36                                             ` David Newall
2009-01-07 15:40                                               ` Alan Cox
2009-01-10  9:46                                                 ` David Newall
2009-01-07 22:13                                               ` Chris Adams
2009-01-07 13:33                                       ` Chris Adams
2009-01-07 13:37                                         ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 14:12                                           ` David Newall
2009-01-07 14:09                                         ` David Newall
2009-01-07 21:42                                           ` Chris Adams
2009-01-04 11:35               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-05  0:08                 ` David Newall
2009-01-06  3:53                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-04 17:20               ` Kyle Moffett
2009-01-03  7:00       ` Chris Adams
2009-01-04  8:41         ` David Newall
2009-01-02 20:29   ` Linas Vepstas
     [not found] ` <8752a8760901021328t545a0327v58faebe1e921680a@mail.gmail.com>
2009-01-02 21:29   ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-03  0:21 ` Chris Adams
2009-01-03  2:23   ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03  3:45     ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-03  4:41     ` [PATCH] " Chris Adams
2009-01-03  4:52       ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03 18:01         ` [PATCH] v2 " Chris Adams
2009-01-03 19:04           ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03 20:01           ` Linas Vepstas
2009-06-08  2:18           ` Ben Hutchings
2009-06-18 22:34             ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-18 22:58               ` Ben Hutchings
2009-06-18 23:48                 ` Chris Friesen
2009-01-06  2:21   ` john stultz-lkml
2009-01-06  2:25     ` Chris Adams
2009-01-06  4:35     ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-03  3:49 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-03  4:02   ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-03  4:46     ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03  4:50       ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-03 22:58   ` Jeffrey J. Kosowsky
     [not found] <fa.dw2l5ZM+UL3xoF6IYh5RLMmbYfw@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.XOM1F85uBvmj4QzZKaDu36nYBk0@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.rviZJBmVqkAE5uxDjhJOpIuKT4g@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]     ` <fa.OPVERUiJ763jH2/QynTxgBgoKYw@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]       ` <fa.v3FUjJ43bw2G7KiZGaxqL3tD4xo@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]         ` <fa.BrNhgY8S+TEOLMiPd27M7YHo9bI@ifi.uio.no>
2009-01-04 16:15           ` Sitsofe Wheeler
2009-01-04 17:26             ` Kyle Moffett

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