From: "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com>
To: mayer@ntp.isc.org
Cc: linasvepstas@gmail.com, david@lang.hm, hancockr@shaw.ca,
kyle@moffetthome.net, slashdot@jameshallam.info,
goodgerster@gmail.com, davidn@davidnewall.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ntpwg@lists.ntp.isc.org,
pretzalz@techhouse.org, burdell@iruntheinter.net,
nick@nick-andrew.net, jeff@kosowsky.org
Subject: Re: [ntpwg] Bug: Status/Summary of slashdot leap-second crash on new years 2008-2009
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:39:47 -0700 (MST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090107.103947.1324582654.imp@bsdimp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49642674.9080703@ntp.isc.org>
In message: <49642674.9080703@ntp.isc.org>
Danny Mayer <mayer@ntp.isc.org> writes:
: Why don't you tell us what the real problem is instead of telling us
: that you need TAI offset information?
The real problem is that POSIX time_t totally ignores leap seconds.
This forces systems that are rolling through a leap second to repeat
time, causing time to jump backwards by 1s (or violate POSIX time_t's
invariant that midnight time_t is % 86400 == 0). This jump backwards
is a pita in the kernel, and violates the assumption that many
programs have that time doesn't flow backwards.
The suggestion to solving this would be to tick in TAI time, and force
userland to cope with the leapsecond issues. Of course, there's a
number of problems with this solution as well, but it feels like it
belongs there...
Warner
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-01-07 17:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-01-02 19:25 Linas Vepstas
2009-01-02 20:04 ` Diego Calleja
2009-01-02 20:25 ` Robert Hancock
2009-01-03 6:32 ` David Newall
2009-01-03 6:37 ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-04 8:43 ` David Newall
2009-01-04 9:00 ` Kyle Moffett
2009-01-04 10:03 ` David Newall
2009-01-04 11:13 ` david
2009-01-04 23:15 ` David Newall
2009-01-04 23:25 ` Chris Adams
2009-01-05 0:01 ` David Newall
2009-01-05 0:41 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-05 8:43 ` David Newall
2009-01-05 19:47 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-05 0:29 ` david
2009-01-04 23:37 ` David Newall
2009-01-05 1:05 ` david
2009-01-05 0:14 ` David Newall
2009-01-05 0:21 ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-05 6:34 ` David Newall
2009-01-05 23:03 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-05 0:44 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-05 5:48 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-05 14:33 ` Nick Andrew
2009-01-05 16:08 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-05 17:51 ` david
2009-01-05 17:42 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-06 2:27 ` john stultz-lkml
2009-01-06 4:53 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-06 5:00 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-06 19:40 ` [ntpwg] " M. Warner Losh
2009-01-06 19:50 ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-07 3:50 ` Danny Mayer
2009-01-07 4:52 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-07 10:03 ` David Newall
2009-01-07 17:24 ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-08 16:51 ` Magnus Danielson
2009-01-07 14:34 ` Danny Mayer
2009-01-07 15:42 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-07 19:23 ` Danny Mayer
2009-01-07 16:04 ` john stultz
2009-01-07 17:36 ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-07 17:39 ` M. Warner Losh [this message]
2009-01-07 19:31 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 19:42 ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-08 3:57 ` Danny Mayer
2009-01-08 4:42 ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-08 10:48 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-08 10:56 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-08 22:22 ` David Mills
2009-01-08 15:02 ` M. Warner Losh
2009-01-08 18:57 ` Marshall Eubanks
2009-01-08 20:09 ` Steve Allen
2009-01-12 16:11 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-12 17:07 ` [ntpwg] " M. Warner Losh
2009-01-12 21:45 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-06 2:31 ` Nick Andrew
2009-01-06 1:59 ` David Newall
2009-01-06 2:18 ` Chris Adams
2009-01-06 2:51 ` Nick Andrew
2009-01-06 9:40 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 1:17 ` Nick Andrew
2009-01-07 9:37 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 9:46 ` David Newall
2009-01-07 9:54 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 10:18 ` David Newall
2009-01-07 10:52 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 13:45 ` David Newall
2009-01-07 14:10 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 14:36 ` David Newall
2009-01-07 15:40 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-10 9:46 ` David Newall
2009-01-07 22:13 ` Chris Adams
2009-01-07 13:33 ` Chris Adams
2009-01-07 13:37 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-07 14:12 ` David Newall
2009-01-07 14:09 ` David Newall
2009-01-07 21:42 ` Chris Adams
2009-01-04 11:35 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-05 0:08 ` David Newall
2009-01-06 3:53 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-04 17:20 ` Kyle Moffett
2009-01-03 7:00 ` Chris Adams
2009-01-04 8:41 ` David Newall
2009-01-02 20:29 ` Linas Vepstas
[not found] ` <8752a8760901021328t545a0327v58faebe1e921680a@mail.gmail.com>
2009-01-02 21:29 ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-03 0:21 ` Chris Adams
2009-01-03 2:23 ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03 3:45 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-03 4:41 ` [PATCH] " Chris Adams
2009-01-03 4:52 ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03 18:01 ` [PATCH] v2 " Chris Adams
2009-01-03 19:04 ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03 20:01 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-06-08 2:18 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-06-18 22:34 ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-18 22:58 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-06-18 23:48 ` Chris Friesen
2009-01-06 2:21 ` john stultz-lkml
2009-01-06 2:25 ` Chris Adams
2009-01-06 4:35 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-03 3:49 ` Linas Vepstas
2009-01-03 4:02 ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-03 4:46 ` Duane Griffin
2009-01-03 4:50 ` Ben Goodger
2009-01-03 22:58 ` Jeffrey J. Kosowsky
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